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13:07 < anim8> hello
13:07 < kielein> Hi anim8 
13:07 < anim8> i have a question
13:08 < anim8> i've been trying to learn synfig for a while and I find it difficult to learn
13:08 < kielein> I'm not sure if I have the answer ;-)
13:08 < anim8> someone gave me anime studio as a gift
13:08 < anim8> do you think it is any easier to learn?
13:08 < kielein> I don't know that. I'm new to Synfig and I have never used Anime Studio
13:09 < kielein> There are nice tutorials for Synfig.
13:10 < kielein> I created a simple animation quite fast with one of them
13:10 < anim8> cool
13:10 < anim8> i wish there was a book
13:10 < anim8> about it
13:11 < kielein> http://synfig.org/wiki/Doc:Getting_Started
13:11 < kielein> Have you seen that page?
13:13 < anim8> oh this is good
13:14 < kielein> Yes, it tells every detail :-)
13:16 < anim8> i'm going to try to dive deep into this software
13:16 < anim8> what are your plans for using it?
13:17 < kielein> I was going to create animations for my nephew and niece
13:17 < kielein> At the moment the project is in the background
13:18 < kielein> Because I started to translate the software in Finnish and I still have to complete it
13:20 < anim8> that is awesome
13:20 < anim8> i want to get involved with this software
13:20 < anim8> how can i do that?
13:20 < kielein> There should be information on the wiki
13:20 < anim8> what can i do to contribute
13:21 < kielein> Well, when you learn to use it you could contribute to the documentation
13:21 < kielein> You should really ask someone else
13:21 < anim8> ok
13:22 < anim8> what made you decide to translate the software
13:22 < kielein> Or you could translate the aoftware if you know a language which is not yet i ncluded :-)
13:22 < kielein> I was already interested in languages and translating
13:23 < kielein> I always want to translate all the programs that are not yet available in Finnish :-)
13:26 < anim8> wow
13:26 < anim8> that's awesome
13:26 < anim8> but what makes you want to give your own time to do that?
13:27 < kielein> I like it
13:28 < kielein> Of course I do not have time to tranlate all the programs in the world
13:33 < anim8> do you put it on a resume
13:34 < kielein> What do you mean?
13:36 < anim8> i'm wondering if there is any kind of status incentive
13:36 < anim8> for people to donate their time to open source projects
13:36 < anim8> when applying for a job do people write it on their resume's
13:36 < anim8> ?
13:37 < kielein> Ahh, no
13:37 < kielein> I could put it though
13:37 < kielein> I just don't apply for a job that often
13:37 < anim8> haha
13:37 < anim8> that would be pretty cool looking
13:38 < anim8> do you go inside the code to do the translating?
13:38 < kielein> Sometimes yes
13:38 < kielein> I guess the translatable messages could be documented better...
13:39 < anim8> i wish i knew how to code
13:39 < kielein> I was thinking of adding comments to the most difficult messages
13:40 < anim8> a hah
13:40 < kielein> Well, it just takes a lots of practise, liek everything else
13:40 < anim8> i'm going to slee
13:40 < anim8> sleep
13:40 < anim8> good night and good luck
13:40 < kielein> Thanks! Good morning
13:40 < anim8> fellow open source user
13:40 < kielein> (8:40 am here)
13:40 < anim8> may the force be with you
13:40 < anim8> where are you?
13:40 < anim8> FInland?
13:40 < kielein> In Italy
13:41 < anim8> So you speak English Italian and Finnish?
13:41 < kielein> Modtly yes ;-)
13:41 < kielein> Mostly
13:41 < anim8> which is your native language
13:41 < kielein> Just a little bit some other languages
13:41 < kielein> Finnish - one should only translate to his native languages
13:42 < anim8> I see
13:42 < kielein> As a rule of thumb
13:42 < anim8> If you don't mind my asking, what is your job?
13:42 < kielein> I could translate something very simple in English and Italian too
13:43 < kielein> Good question...
13:43 < kielein> System maintainer?
13:43 < anim8> who do you work for?
13:43 < kielein> I.e. I baby-sit servers
13:43 < kielein> :-)
13:44 < kielein> In a data center
13:44 < anim8> very interesting
13:44 < anim8> i'm an artist, but i am very interested in computers
13:45 < kielein> I think that's more interesting
13:45 < anim8> especially linux and open source
13:45 < kielein> Being an artist
13:45 < kielein> Or doing something creative
13:45 < anim8> everything can be creative
13:45 < kielein> True
13:46 < anim8> there should be open source conventions or something 
13:46 < anim8> because this is powerful
13:46 < anim8> we are two people on opposite sides of the world who both engaged in the same thing
13:47 < anim8> and we have a common cause
13:47 < kielein> Also closed projects can be international
13:47 < anim8> i don't understand
13:47 < kielein> Closed source projects
13:48 < kielein> Proprietary projects
13:48 < anim8> such as what?
13:48 < kielein> Like Microsoft could make people in Mexico and India work on the same project :-)
13:49 < anim8> oh of course
13:49 < kielein> Or in Italy and in your country
13:49 < anim8> are you saying you aren't as in love with open source as i am?
13:49 < kielein> Not at all, I really like it
13:50 < kielein> Just pointing out that this aspect is not a priviledge to open source projects
13:50 < kielein> Maybe more characteristic though
13:50 < anim8> yes and i think that's an important thing to remember
13:51 < anim8> for example ubuntu is a proprietary project
13:51 < anim8> but i just think that offering software free and open to people is revolution that we're just seeing the start of
13:51 < kielein> Also Ubuntu is open source
13:52 < anim8> and that's what is remarkable about it
13:52 < anim8> is that is free to everyone, but someone is still profiting from it
13:52 < kielein> Yes
13:52 < kielein> Also closed source projects are liek that sometimes, like Skype for example
13:53 < anim8> so skype is free to download, but the source is not open?
13:53 < kielein> Right
13:53 < anim8> oh
13:53 < anim8> i think that especially tools for artists is powerful
13:54 < kielein> Plus the technology is not an open standard but they use a proprietary system
13:54 < anim8> because if you can give free tools to everyone
13:54 < kielein> Yes, it's really cool
13:54 < anim8> it opens the internet and the world to a lot of art that we wouldn't see otherwise
13:54 < anim8> for example when i was younger i always wanted to make cartoons but i couldn't afford flash
13:55 < anim8> if i would have had synfig who knows what i would have made
13:55 < kielein> Exactly
13:55 < anim8> the problem is that i find it so hard to learn
13:56 < kielein> It really is almost impossible to learn without a good tutorial
13:56 < kielein> Fortunately the wiki documentation is quite good
13:57 < anim8> yes it's good
13:57 < anim8> okay
13:57 < anim8> good luck 
13:57 < anim8> i must be going
13:57 < kielein> You too
13:57 < kielein> Sleep well
13:57 < anim8> thanks
13:57 < anim8> before i go
13:57 < anim8> can you tell me what music is big in Italy these days?
13:59 < kielein> Well, I don't really follow the charts, but some big names are Naomi, Zucchero, Tiziano Ferro
13:59 < anim8> thanks
13:59 < anim8> i'll listen to those
14:00 < anim8> we have a very rich music atmosphere in the US
14:00 < kielein> I don't like much all of those, but it's a matter of taste :-)
14:00 < anim8> but sometimes i'm afraid i hear to much rock and pop and not much else
14:00 < anim8> i always like to expand my tastes
14:01 < kielein> I could add an older musician to those three: Francesco Battiato
14:01 < kielein> Made some interesting music in 70's (I think), 80's and 90's
14:02 < kielein> Still pop though
14:02 < anim8> oh cool
14:02 < anim8> is it terra naomi?
14:02 < kielein> No
14:02 < anim8> i google searched it
14:03 < kielein> The Naomi I meant is not the biggest of the names, kind of a rising star
14:03 < kielein> Time shows how high she'll rise
14:03 < kielein> Sorry Noemi :-)
14:03 < anim8> who is the biggest act in Italy right now
14:03 < kielein> I gave you the wrong name
14:03 < kielein> I don't really know who is the biggest
14:04 < kielein> Anyway it's Noemi, not Naomi
14:04 < anim8> does anyone listen to hip hop in Italy
14:04 < kielein> I'm sure someone does
14:05 < anim8> haha
14:05 < anim8> i mean is it popular
14:05 < anim8> what is the name of the Italian charts
14:05 < anim8> so i could look a them online
14:05 < anim8> we have billboard hot 100 here
14:06 < kielein> Hip hop: Fabbri fibra
14:07 < kielein> The only name comes into my mind at the moment
14:07 < anim8> is there a chart online i could view to get a taste of what's popular in Italy
14:07 < kielein> I don't know
14:07 < anim8> ok 
14:08 < anim8> are the songs that are popular in Italy the same or different from what music is popular in the region in Europe
14:08 < anim8> does each country have it's own popular music
14:08 < anim8> or is it all the same?
14:08 < kielein> Well, I guess partly they are
14:08 < kielein> But some musicians are famous only in Italy
14:09 < kielein> I think that in Italy they listen a lot of Italian music
14:09 < anim8> very interesting
14:09 < kielein> But then also the most famous international stars
14:09 < anim8> are many American artists popular over there
14:10 < kielein> Jovanotti another hiphopper
14:10 < kielein> Quite many
14:10 < anim8> could you tell me one song that you especially like
14:11 < anim8> maybe a favorite song you have
14:11 < anim8> not from an American artist, but just in general
14:11 < kielein> Let me think a moment
14:11 < anim8> ok
14:13 < kielein> Naming just one is a quite difficult job ;-)
14:13 < anim8> name a few
14:14 < kielein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1401I4LFR4
14:14 < kielein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb6aR8oWYhw
14:14 < kielein> Two oldies
14:15 < anim8> i see you guys were into the dirty rock in the 80s too
14:15 < anim8> haha
14:16 < anim8> thanks 
14:16 < kielein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgVEZpo4MgA
14:16 < anim8> good stuff
14:16 < anim8> are you a michael jackson fan?
14:17 < kielein> Well, not particularly
14:17 < anim8> oh 
14:17 < anim8> just wondering
14:18 < anim8> ok thanks for the cultural exchange
14:18 < kielein> No problem
14:18 < kielein> I just can't remember the good ones :-)
14:18 < anim8> do Italian's like country music?
14:18 < anim8> or folk music?
14:19 < kielein> I don't know
14:19 < kielein> I like folk, or ethnic/world
14:19 < kielein> a hungarian instrumental: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHg5Cdiq86w&feature=related
14:19 < anim8> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYGwxf1gCC4
14:19 < anim8> like this
14:20 < kielein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ozxHOXf8I
14:20 < anim8> it's terrific music
14:20 < anim8> did you see my link?
14:21 < kielein> Yes, I'm listening to it
14:21 < anim8> cool
14:22 < anim8> do Europeans have their own equivalent of this?
14:22 < kielein> Is this country?
14:22 < anim8> yes
14:23 < kielein> Well, there are ballads here too
14:24 < anim8> i see 
14:24 < anim8> can you give me an example
14:26 < kielein> That Jamey Johnson's song is not exactly my style, but it was ok
14:27 < anim8> ok thanks
14:27 < anim8> for the music
14:27 < anim8> but really have to go no
14:27 < kielein> Sorry, can't think of an European version at the moment
14:27 < anim8> now
14:27 < anim8> ok
14:28 < kielein> Bye
14:28 < anim8> good night
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17:21 < kielein> Does someone speak English here?
17:36 < kielein> I was trying to figure whether "bailout" has a meaning such as "to vanish" besides the one relating to economics.
17:37 < kielein> It is among the properties of the Julia Set layer, called "Bailout ValueBase"
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21:41 < keyline> Hello Shaba1 
21:47 < Shaba1> Hey keyline
21:47 < Shaba1> How are you?
21:49 < keyline> Unfortunately I don't feel too well, must be flu and a sore throat
21:49 < keyline> I was translating Synfig anyway
21:50 < keyline> Shaba1, Do you happen to know what bailout means?
22:06 < Shaba1> as relates to synfig
22:06 < Shaba1> ?
22:12 < keyline> Yes
22:12 < Shaba1> I have no ideal
22:12 < Shaba1> idea that is
22:12 < keyline> It's in the properties on Julia set
22:12 < Shaba1> I am just now starting to learn synfig
22:12 < keyline> of
22:12 < keyline> Ah :-)
22:12 < Shaba1> so I do no know all the terms
22:13 < keyline> Could it mean something like "to vanish"?
22:13 < keyline> In general
22:13 < keyline> English is not my mother tongue
22:14 < Shaba1> well in general it mean to help and organization or a person out of a bad situation
22:14 < keyline> Yes, I found that meaning too
22:14 < keyline> Bail means also emptying a boat, right?
22:15 < Shaba1> bail is money that a person pays to the court system in order to get a another person out of jail. The bail is suppose to assure his appearance later at the trial for whatever he/she was arrested for. If the person does not show up at trial then the bail is forfeted to the court.
22:15 < keyline> I see
22:16 < Shaba1> thus the term "bailout" the bail(money) gets the person out of jail temporaily until the trail is over.
22:16 < keyline> Thanks
22:17 < Shaba1> then higher the bail( money) amount the more seroius the crime the person is accused or the more serious is the risk that the person will not show up at the trial.
22:17 < keyline> It still a bit hard to figure the meaning in Synfig. I should find out the person who wrote it. Maybe he is not so good in English either and has amde a mistake :-)
22:17 < Shaba1> Oh I am SURE of that
22:17 < Shaba1> :)
22:18 < keyline> Oh, right, that's in fact happening in many criem series
22:18 < Shaba1> I can tell when I read things online if the person is a native english speaker.
22:18 < Shaba1> Or if he is an native speaker and just does not know how to write standard english :)
22:18 < keyline> Too bad I told you already. I could have put you under a test ;-)
22:19 < keyline> That's a possibility :-D
22:20 < keyline> Have you learned the basics of Synfig already?
22:21 < Shaba1> Not really
22:21 < Shaba1> All I have done is move a black circle across the canvas
22:21 < Shaba1> and saved those as a series of pngs
22:21 < keyline> I'm pretty newbie myself, I've just followed the wiki tutorial for some time
22:22 < keyline> I've already rendered that kind of animation too :-)
22:22 < Shaba1> I intend to use it to create animated Hentai cartoons
22:22 < keyline> Do you have a good tutorial beside you?
22:22 < Shaba1> but that will require a lot of practice on my part
22:22 < keyline> I see
22:22 < keyline> Yes, I think so
22:23 < keyline> It takes practise to become a master
22:23 < Shaba1> well I am not a good artist
22:23 < keyline> I just wanted to make simple animations for children+s songs
22:23 < Shaba1> I can barely draw a round circle with a pencil
22:24 < keyline> Luckily perfect shapes are not so common :-)
22:24 < keyline> On computer it+s the other way around: it+s easy to draw perfect shapes but not casual lines
22:25 < Shaba1> lol
22:25 < Shaba1> I did get a graphics tablet just for this purpose
22:25 < keyline> Nice!
22:25 < keyline> That should help in the sketching
22:27 < Shaba1> Are you in Switerland?
22:27 < keyline> No, In Italy
22:27 < Shaba1> ah ok
22:28 < Shaba1> I thought so
22:28 < keyline> Do I have a swiss accent? :-)
22:29 < Shaba1> nope
22:29 < keyline> Good
22:29 < Shaba1> I thopught I read switerland on your whois
22:30 < keyline> The IRC client must have chosen a server from there
22:30 < Shaba1> So how long have you been using synfig?
22:31 < keyline> I followed the tutorial few months ago
22:31 < keyline> Then I've been busy doing other thing
22:31 < keyline> Now I'm continuing the Finnish translation which I had started too
22:33 < Shaba1> why finnish?
22:33 < keyline> I'd better go to rest a bit, I've caught a flu or something
22:33 < keyline> Yes I am
22:33 < keyline> Sorry, misread
22:33 < keyline> I am Finnish
22:33 < Shaba1> take care
22:33 < keyline> Thanks, bye
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