--- Log opened Tue Nov 02 00:00:33 2010
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01:43 < Shaba1> hello all
01:45 < Shaba1> anyone at the keys here?
01:50 -!- genete [~carlos@84.122.48.171.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig
01:51 < genete> hi Fri13 and hi Shaba1
01:51 < Shaba1> Hello genete
01:52 < genete> Fri13: check that the default blend method (from the toolbox defaults area) is set to Composite
01:52 < genete> aye Shaba1
01:52 < Shaba1> Ok I am not being negative but is this normally as quiet here
01:52 < genete> yes, it is
01:52 < genete> people has different timezones
01:52 < Shaba1> Ok just checking
01:53 < Shaba1> I just found out about synfig a last week.
01:53 < Shaba1> and it 'seems' to be just what I was looking for.
01:53 < Shaba1> I am on freenode all the time int he blender,unity and android rooms
01:53 < genete> Fri13: to move a bitmap you have to select both corners at the same time and mothe them both
01:53 < Shaba1> so I just scooted over here to ask a few clueless newbie questions
01:53 < genete> Shaba1: cool
01:54 < genete> shot your questions then :)
01:54 < Shaba1> ok first one
01:54 < Shaba1> how do I get all the various windows in some sort of ourder
01:55 < Shaba1> order
01:55 < Shaba1> I know that in gimp you can drag and drop windwos and they make a tab in ONE central window
01:55 < genete> in the toolbox there is a menu entry to re-place all the docks to the default place
01:56 < Shaba1> righyt now they are all over the place
01:56 < genete> Please visit Toolbox->Panels->Reset windows to original layout
01:57 < genete> in Synfig you have a toolbox, a windows per canvas and two (or one) dockable helper windows
01:57 < genete> one is vertical dockable and the other is horizontal
01:57 < genete> but you can drag and drop them all around
01:58 < genete> just click and drag its tab icon
01:58 < Shaba1> well I want them all in one big central windwo
01:58 < Shaba1> right now the tool box is on the left of my screen
01:59 < genete> well, not possible get it ALL in one central window, by now
01:59 < Shaba1> under that is a params,children and keyframe windwo at the bottome of the screen
01:59 < Shaba1> then a navigatore,info and palette editor winown on the left
02:00 < Shaba1> All of that is taking up too much screen real estate
02:00 < Shaba1> and there is a black command box window behine everything else
02:01 < genete> the black command box is needed if you're under MS windows OS
02:01 < Shaba1> I know
02:01 < Shaba1> I an minize that
02:01 < Shaba1> that is not a big deal
02:02 < Shaba1> But how about the others
02:02 < genete> I'm sorry for the current GUI layout. We don't like it so much :-/
02:04 < genete> apart of the current GUI, do you have any other question=
02:04 < genete> ?
02:06 < Shaba1> Well yeah
02:06 < Shaba1> how do I ge them all into one window?
02:11 < genete> not possible at the moment
02:11 < Shaba1> Ok thats good
02:11 < Shaba1> Ok second
02:12 < Shaba1> will it import inkscape svg files
02:12 < Shaba1> not that I know inkscape
02:12 < genete> yes but only supports SVG version 1.0 (plain SVG)
02:12 < Shaba1> I just discovered that 2 days before I discovered synfig
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02:12 < Shaba1> what is the difference
02:13 < Shaba1> if you do not mind me asking
02:13 < genete> so at Inkscape, save your artwork with the "Plain SVG" version enabled
02:13 < genete> the SVG specification has evolved along the time
02:13 < genete> the SVG 1.0 is the most basic
02:14 < Shaba1> maybe I should start with what I want to do with both inkscape and synfig
02:14 < genete> we coded a library to read from SVG 1.0 and to import to Synfig. It still in development. Maybe some things don't import correctly
02:14 < Shaba1> Ultimately I want create 2D erotic comic strips
02:14 < genete> I strongly recommend to do the characters  FOR ANIMATION in Synfig
02:14 < Shaba1> in both still image online
02:14 < Shaba1> and animated online
02:15 < genete> then if you need some specific props or backgrounds, used Inkscape
02:15 < Shaba1> if that makes any sense
02:15 < genete> for animation I would do it directly in Synfig
02:15 < Shaba1> I am going to intially start by importing stock figures of people and things
02:15 < Shaba1> then as I get better at artwork do my own characters
02:15 < genete> well, it is up to you
02:15 < Shaba1> huh
02:16 < Shaba1> ??
02:16 < Shaba1> what is up to me
02:16 < genete> but once imported, the layers are  very scattered
02:16 < Shaba1> I am going to do that animation in synfig
02:16 < Shaba1> that is why I got the program
02:16 < genete> so they are really hard to animate
02:16 < Shaba1> :)
02:16 < Fri13> thanks genete for the tip to move the bitmap file!
02:16 < Shaba1> Ok you just lost me with that layer comment
02:16 < genete> Fri13: you're welcome
02:17 < genete> Shaba1: I meant: import artwork is fine for static images. For character animation is always better create yours in Synfig. 
02:17 < genete> Otherwise you have to fight with a very scattered list of layers after import from SVG
02:19 < Shaba1> ok
02:19 < Shaba1> I know what layers are in theGimp
02:19 < Shaba1> but what do you mean by layers in synfig
02:19 < genete> In Synfig everything you draw becomes a layer
02:19 < genete> one second...
02:20 < Shaba1> and you cannot flatten them like you can in gimp?
02:20 < genete> Please read this: http://synfig.org/wiki/Doc:Getting_Started
02:21 < genete> No. Instead of flatten you can encapsulate them in a "folder" so they can be managed as a single layer
02:21 < genete> but the "folder" content is available for further modifications along the time
02:22 < genete> because animation is modification of the layer parameters along the time
02:22 < genete> and the computer does the interpolation or the famous called "tweening"
02:22 < Fri13> genete: is there a simple way to type a size and position for bitmap keyframe? Like I am trying to get a icon to bounce after dropping and the animation is actually easy to do, but getting the icon back to the original size and position is hard.
02:23 < genete> Fri13: have you read and made the basic tutorials? 
02:23 < genete> the answers for your questions are there
02:24 < genete> http://synfig.org/wiki/Doc:Animation_Basics
02:24 < Fri13> genete: I went them trought to find out the bitmap and animation areas. One what brought headcache to me was the import function "real size".
02:25 < genete> Fri13: visit this: Toolbox->Settings->Misc.
02:25 < Fri13> genete: There is nothing about adjusting the layer (object?) size and position. 
02:25 < genete> In that dialog there is an option to load the images on its real size
02:26 < Fri13> genete: Okay
02:26 < genete> Once you load an image, there is not option to resize it to its real size
02:27 < genete> it is a lack of Synfig, yes
02:27 < Fri13> genete: well maybe someday it is there.
02:27 < Fri13> As I was in problems as well in that I had 400x700px canvas and imported 400x700 png and it was 4-6x bigger than the canvas x)
02:27 < genete> at the import moment you can read the real size and then do the importation opertation with the read sizes
02:28 < genete> but there is not option to restore its default size again. (And it should be)
02:28 < Fri13> But I could pass that by taking the GIMP exporter plugin.
02:28 < genete> I have to go soon
02:28 < genete> please leave the questions here in the IRC
02:28 < genete> me or other will reply offline
02:29 < Fri13> Well you answered already my problems ;-)
02:30 < genete> cu later
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02:30 < Shaba1> Take care genete
02:30 < Shaba1> hey Fri13
02:30 < Shaba1> what was yoru problem
02:41 < Fri13> Shaba1: I had problems to move bitmap object while maintaining it aspect ration. Generte told to select both corners and then move them together. 
02:42 < Fri13> Shaba1: but now I would like to know is there a way to select a object (layer?) what is a bitmap (say 32x32px) and resize/move it position by pixel amounts? like in Inkscape you have the position and size in top.
02:43 < Fri13> That would help to make a bouncing icon more easier as the 32x32px icon could be just maded in keyframe a 40x28 sized and then turn it back to original 32x32px size.
02:43 < Fri13> Now when doing it by hand (resizing), getting it back to the original is hard.
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03:43 < linds> Hello, I was wondering if my tablet ould be compatible with synfig. I have a wacom bamboo fun.
03:47 < Shaba1> how much did yo pay for it linds?
03:47 < linds> the tablet?
03:48 < linds> around $100. that was a year or two ago so i believe the price is lower now
03:49 < Shaba1> Yeah. I do not know if it was the same model as yours but I saw a bamboo for $50 USD about 6 months ago
03:50 < linds> wow nice!
03:51 < Shaba1> I just could not afford it at the time
03:52 < linds> aw, maybe soon though. they are a very useful tool.
03:53 < Shaba1> Oh I am sure
03:55 < linds> I'm going to go try and figure this out. bye
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04:13 < PinkShark> hi :$?
04:15 < PinkShark> I want make 2 keyframes in the same time on timeline one for an object and other for another object it is possible? and how?
05:06 < Shaba1> Hello anyone at the keys here?
05:19 < PinkShark> hi
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23:45 < Cevero> Hi, everyone
23:45 < Cevero> I'm from Venezuela
23:48 < Cevero> and i would like some help whit my Synfig 0.62.01 version installation on my Debian Lenny
23:49 < Cevero> If some can help me i would be deeply grateful
23:54 < Cevero> I'm a noob on Debian and i tried to install whit dpkg but it gives me this error - (Leyendo la base de datos ...   123479 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.) Desempaquetando synfigstudio (de synfigstudio_0.62.01-20100531.master.1_amd64.deb) ... dpkg-deb (subproceso): lectura insuficiente en buffer_copy (fallo al escribir a la tubería en la copia) dpkg-deb: el subproceso paste devolvió el código de salida de error 2 dpkg: e
23:55 < Cevero> all):  lectura insuficiente en buffer_copy (error en dpkg-deb durante `./opt/synfig/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1.0.29') Se encontraron errores al procesar:  synfigstudio_0.62.01-20100531.master.1_amd64.deb
23:59 < genete> hola Cevero 
23:59 < genete> parece ser que el paquete debian que descargaste esta incompleto o corrupto
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