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01:15 < CIA-86> synfig: Carlos Lopez  master * r3efbdab0ea synfig/synfig/ (synfig-core/po/zh_CN.po synfig-studio/po/zh_CN.po): Updated Simplified Chinese translation. Yu Chen (jcome)
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02:25 < CIA-86> synfig: Carlos Lopez  master * r6d45356ea0 synfig/synfig/synfig-studio/src/synfigapp/actions/valuedesclink.cpp: Fix unhandled exception when linking linkablevaluenodes
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04:34 < genete> hi CryingFreeman
04:35 < CryingFreeman> haha, "eventually" can be quite a long time sometimes. ;)
04:35 < genete> I was busy with code ;)
04:36 < genete> CryingFreeman: can you repeat the problem again?
04:36 < CryingFreeman> good that you've got your priorities straight. :) 
04:37 < CryingFreeman> I'm trying to move some rectangles that i've made, but i just get resize-handles on them. And it seems I cannot group them together and move them simultaneously. 
04:38 < CryingFreeman> I.e.: How do i move several objects at the same time?
04:40 < genete> rectangles are special
04:40 < genete> you have to move both corners at the same time
04:40 < genete> to move stuff in general you have two options
04:41 < genete> 1) 
04:41 < genete> encapsulate in a paste canvas layer, then move the origin of the paste canvas
04:42 < genete> 2) place a traslate layer over the stack of layers to traslate, then move the translate layer paramter
04:45 < CryingFreeman> The objects in question are the building blocks of a stick man that i plan on using for animating a walk cycle. I've done most of the walking already, but now i plan on doing the recoil and highpoint poses, and i need to move the upper body. Won't moving the origin break everything?
04:49 < genete> it depends on how the composition is made. I can't judge without see the file
04:50 < CryingFreeman> You're welcome to take a look if you have the time.. :) http://www.2shared.com/file/O3lawbqv/walk-cycle.html
04:51 < CryingFreeman> basically i've followed the Cut out-tutorial in the wiki, but with rectangles instead.
04:55 < genete> after feeling stupid without find the right download link for the file, I got it :)
04:55 < genete> you just need to move up and down the Origin parameter of the Kropp Paste Canvas layer
04:56 < genete> it won't broke anything
04:56 < CryingFreeman> sorry, i just picked a random file upload service. :)
04:57 < CryingFreeman> but Kropp (body) is the whole body, not just the upper bit. 
04:57 < CryingFreeman> oh, i guess i can bend the legs.. :)
04:57 < CryingFreeman> mr smartypants.
04:58 < prokoudine> genete, gotcha :)
04:58 < genete> hi prokoudine
04:58 < genete> what was it?
04:58 < genete> CryingFreeman: you can move the body only as well
04:59 < CryingFreeman> genete: how do i do that? Just started today, so i'm kind of fresh at this...
05:00 < genete> just started today and did the cutout tutorial?! O_O
05:00 < CryingFreeman> yep. i use to jump into the deep end directly.. ;)
05:01 < genete> CryingFreeman: select all the pastecanvas layers but the legs
05:01 < CryingFreeman> when i say today i mean ALL day. ;)
05:01 < genete> if all the origins are set to 0,0 then you can link them all by right click on the origin parameter of the param dock
05:02 < genete> if not, just select all the origin ducks and move as a whole
05:02 < genete> the longer way is to add a translate layer on each non leg paste canvas and link the translate parameter of all them
05:02 < genete> then animate it
05:03 < genete> it is a good idea to sort properly the limbs and body parts properly
05:03 < CryingFreeman> the first one seem to work. I have to write this down. :)
05:03 < genete> head, left arm, body, right arm, left leg, right leg
05:04 < CryingFreeman> yeah, it's a jumbled mess, i know.
05:04 < genete> btw, which is your native language? Sweden?
05:04 < CryingFreeman> now i have upper/lower arm, upper/lower leg
05:05 < CryingFreeman> yep, that's swedish at work. :)
05:06 < genete> I don't know you in the forum, have registered?
05:06 < CryingFreeman> no, not yet. i will. :)
05:06 < genete> cool, you have granted my welcome ;)
05:06 < CryingFreeman> as i said, i've just started this epic journey. ;)
05:06 < CryingFreeman> thanks. :)
05:07 < CryingFreeman> sweet software btw. steep learning threshold at the beginning (imho), but quite powerful :)
05:07 < genete> btw, the walk cycle is smooth despite the missing up/down movement
05:08 < genete> the difficult one is to make it walk "non in place", but along the screen
05:08 < CryingFreeman> well, i'm pretty meticulous when it comes to details.
05:09 < CryingFreeman> How do I time walking from one side to the other? transform, that part i got, but the timing? just trial and error?
05:09 < CryingFreeman> TRanslate, sorry.
05:09 < genete> I reccomend the animator survival kit from Richard Williams but I guess you already know, by the slang you have demonstrated
05:10 < CryingFreeman> hehe, i'm a complete n00b at animating. :) just started today, as i said. :P
05:10 < CryingFreeman> been doing quite a lot of reading today though.
05:10 < CryingFreeman> a hefty lot.
05:10 < genete> when doing a path walk I better draw the real poses of a complete cycle
05:11 < genete> maybe you can use your current stickman and place the key images in the proper place with image layers
05:11 < CryingFreeman> i've seen your youtube-clips, btw. very nice. :)
05:12 < genete> then using the keyframe system, move the entire toy meanwhile match the poses 
05:13 < CryingFreeman> yeah, i thought i do a rough cut with the stick-man and then draw the rest.. perhaps that's not the best way to go?
05:13 < genete> well, work with stickman is always good to get the timing of things
05:13 < genete> less work for learn timing
05:14 < CryingFreeman> actually i got five animators wall to wall with my office, so perhaps i just let them do it? ;)
05:14 < genete> always more fun doing by oneself
05:14 < CryingFreeman> yep, this was just to try to get the correct motion, the graphics is another matter.  
05:17 < CryingFreeman> hmm. I moved the origin -5 units on the y axis, but that seem to do it for all the keyframes... what do i do wrong?
05:20 < genete> are you in animation mode?
05:22 < CryingFreeman> *facepalm* no...
05:22 < CryingFreeman> stupid me. :)
05:24 < CryingFreeman> anyways, now i'm registered at the forum, so i'm free to harass the people there instead. ;)
05:31 < CryingFreeman> wonderful, I think i Got It™ now. :) Thank you for this awesome software! :D
05:37 < genete> you're welcome
05:37 < genete> bedtime here
05:37 < genete> see ya
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08:59 < pixelgeek> Some days I really hate trying to get this wretched program to compile'
08:59 < pixelgeek> I've managed to corrupt my Msys environment.
08:59 < pixelgeek> It won't even start now.
09:10 < pixelgeek> phew - that was a narrow excape
09:10 < pixelgeek> Thank goodness for backups
09:54 < pixelgeek> OK - so how do I go about troubleshooting the development splashscreen not coming up?
09:55 < pixelgeek> Should the splash_screen_development.sif file actually be generated at some point?  (It isn't)
09:56 < pixelgeek> Are there some logs that could point people to what's going wrong?  
10:05 < pixelgeek> Is there something in the 4 export lines that's failing and causing the problem?
10:06 < pixelgeek> Bedtime for now I think.
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--- Log opened Sun Oct 24 14:41:20 2010
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21:53 < genete> @pixelgeek: effectively splash_screen.png depends on splash_screen_development.sif which depends on splash_screen_development.sif.in when DEVELOPMENT_SNAPSHOT is true (by default true as defined in synfig-studio/configure.ac
21:54 < genete> so when the images/Makefile.am is processed it looks for splash_screen_development.sif.in and changes some of the internals of that file based on the command lines that are in the Makefile.am just after the 'if DEVELOPMENT_SNAPSHOT' conditional.
21:55 < genete> then it generates the splash_screen_development.sif which is later rendered to splash_screen.png using synfig cli
21:56 < genete> the modifications made to convert the .sif.in file to the .sif file are performed using shell commands and probably there is where your build fails
21:57 < genete> so it seems that you might have: git, sed and egrep installed in your unix environment
21:58 < genete> as optional, I propose to just remove the commit and branh information in the development splash screen because it is not so useful when it is properly shown in the about dialog.
21:59 < genete> so the conditional render of the splash_scree.png file can be simplifier just based on the DEVELOPMENT_SNAPSHOT value
22:00 < genete> *** Zelgadis: do you agree on simplify the splash_screen_development.sif file and don't use that set of sed/git/egrep commands to modify the .in and just make it always the same splash? ***
22:07 < genete> that would make life easier to pixelgeek I guess. We can comment the code and use it later if when we make windows build easier
22:40 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_master * re8d46b44a0 synfig/synfig/synfig-core/configure.ac: PNG 1.4 library support fix thanks to Genete
22:42 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_glade_ui * r2b2e190f68 synfig/synfig/synfig-studio/src/gui/dialogs/ (canvasoptions.cpp canvasoptions.h): Distance error fix thanks to Genete
22:42 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_glade_ui * r9b3d100ed8 synfig/synfig/synfig-studio/Makefile.am: Install glade UI file
22:46 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_master * red158d9688 synfig/synfig/: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/synfig/synfig into eldruin_master
22:47 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_glade_ui * r207bf1211c synfig/synfig/: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/synfig/synfig into eldruin_glade_ui
22:56 < CIA-86> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  eldruin_glade_ui * rabb7841646 synfig/synfig/: 
22:56 < CIA-86> synfig: Merge branch 'eldruin_master' of ssh://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/synfig/synfig into 'eldruin_glade_ui'
22:56 < CIA-86> synfig: Conflict resolved in synfig-core/configure.ac
23:18 < rore> wow O_o All that about a splash screen :) 
23:19 < genete> hi rore :)
23:20 < rore> hello
23:21  * rore <--- new comp, new linux install - now I still have to compile synfig again 
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