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00:00 < genete> hey, waiting 0.62 release? ;)
00:05  * genete needs some encouragement to continue on the task. So he wants to read some "Go genete! go!" in the morning ;)
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06:20 < pi7xelgeek> Go Genete! Go!
06:20  * pi7xelgeek going to bed instead :)
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08:42 < genete> aloha!
08:51 < genete> Hopefully I can work with the new version :)
08:51 < genete> I have a date for the Synfig workshop in my local University. It will be on November 10th and 11th.
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14:18 < genete> o<
14:18 < pixelbot> >o
14:18 < genete> !quote
14:18 < pixelbot> Synfig: For when RGB values of 0-100 just aren't enough!
15:04 < rore> hola :) 
15:04 < rore> !quote
15:04 < pixelbot> 2009-03-25-16:49 < rore> I knoooow... I want to reinvent noise, and maths, and all XD
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15:04 < rore> argh, a self-quote
15:04 < rore> and I scared genete
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19:54 < pixelgeek> 'lo all
19:55 < prokoudine> bye all :)
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19:56 < rore> 'llo world
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20:20  * pixelgeek doing the happy dance - we got new air conditioning.
20:21  * rore_ gives a puzzled look 
20:21 < rore_> uh... ok, I read the wrong thing
20:22 < rore_> and I was wondering why new hair conditioner made you so happy XD
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20:31 < pixelgeek> You make me sound like those girls in the commercials that can't make it through their showers without screams of ecstasy....  
20:35 < rore> hahaha, sorry ;)
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21:50 < genete> Wahea!
21:51 < genete> I would like to listen some advices from you (that I think you know how I am) about how to focus the 3+3 hours workshop I'll teach :)
21:52 < genete> how do I avoid to be so technnical and bore the audience? 
21:55 < genete> would it be interesting to include some excercises in the workshop rather than cover all the features of synfig?
21:58 < rore> make some Mickey mouses :p 
21:59 < rore> and yes, excercises and real examples will definitely be better than a full "theorical" course
22:00 < genete> I think that I should do things in pairs: one feature, one excercise
22:01 < genete> but I think that a minimun of overview is needed to start with some examples
22:01 < genete> what do you think?
22:01 < rore> I agree
22:02  * genete will plug in the worksatation to apply rore's translation files. :)
22:02 < rore> \o/ :) 
22:04 < genete> I'll use my laptop for the classes during the workshop. It can be funny to grab myself using cheese and the built in webcam :-D
22:04 < rore> maybe it'll be nice not to start from scratch for each example, but to keep building on the same example file for each feature
22:05 < genete> yeah it would be cool. Use the previous result to the next excercise
22:05 < genete> I have to think on it carefully
22:05 < genete> and for sure it will be a complete tutorial for the wiki :)
22:06 < rore> good :)
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22:32 < CIA-53> synfig: Carlos Lopez  genete_french_translation_update * rf2bb080c45 synfig/ (synfig-core/po/fr.po synfig-studio/po/fr.po): Updated French translation. Thanks to Aurore D. (rore)
22:39 < pixelgeek> Tutorial - Steps 1, 2, 3
22:39 < pixelgeek> Step 1 - This is a duck
22:39 < genete> o<
22:39 < pixelbot> >o
22:40 < pixelgeek> Step 2 - Here is a red spot that moves from side to side, like Knight Rider
22:40 < pixelgeek> Step 3 - Morevna.
22:40 < pixelgeek> Simple, no?
22:40 < genete> hahahaha
22:40 < pixelgeek> You may need some steps between 2 and 3 if the audience is a little slow.
22:40 < pixelgeek> ;)
22:41 < genete> step four: this is a keyframe: o¬¬
22:41 < pixelgeek> OOooh - I'm jealous.  I don't have one of those symbols on my keyboard.
22:41 < genete> ALT-GR + 6
22:41 < genete> ¬¬
22:42  * pixelgeek looks for the GR key
22:42 < genete> (or copy paste mine ;))
22:43 < pixelgeek> There's probably an ALT key combo I could use, but I don't have my ASCII tables well memorized these days.  
22:43 < pixelgeek> I can just about remember where the ° combination is,
22:43 < genete> pixelgeek: regarding to the release
22:44 < pixelgeek> AHAH!
22:44 < pixelgeek> ALT 170
22:44 < pixelgeek> ¬
22:44 < pixelgeek> release, yes?  
22:44 < genete> I wish to launch some candidates (one at last). Should they have the winner splash screen and the new version numbering?
22:45 < pixelgeek> I'm thinking not.  
22:45 < genete> I mean should they be mainly the same as the final release?
22:45 < pixelgeek> Don't want to have any RCs running around confusing peopl who think they've got the final thing
22:45 < genete> ok, right
22:45 < pixelgeek> but have a bug that we fixed in the release version.
22:46 < genete> and how many time is enough for testing?
22:46 < genete> one week? two?
22:46 < pixelgeek> You could put a 'placeholder' splashscreen in, so they really know it's not final.
22:46 < pixelgeek> Should be fine.  
22:47 < genete> a dummy "0.62-RC1" text splash screen?
22:47 < pixelgeek> Release mid-week, then release the w/e after the next w/e
22:47 < pixelgeek> yup
22:47 < pixelgeek> 'watchi this space'
22:47 < pixelgeek> Will it be Rore?  Or rylleman? 
22:48 < pixelgeek> or zenoscope or someone else?
22:48 < genete> the splash winnner?
22:48 < pixelgeek> yes:)
22:48 < genete> eh!
22:48 < genete> I plan to enter!
22:48 < pixelgeek> Gerco was asking about the poll.  
22:48 < pixelgeek> When do you want to kick that off?  
22:49 < genete> at October first US west cost time of course
22:49 < genete> I need time to finish it! :-P
22:49 < genete> like any other monthly contest
22:49 < rore> so, to vote for the splashes, it's easy 
22:49 < rore> send me a chocolate bar with your vote so I could count them :] 
22:49 < pixelgeek> Rore - how long did your splash take?
22:50 < rore> 3mn! :D
22:50 < rore> err, I don't remember
22:50 < genete> don't reply rore, it depresses me!
22:50 < pixelgeek> See genete!  What are you waiting for?  ;)
22:50 < rore> but it wasn't "that" long
22:50 < rore> a couple of hours I guess
22:50 < genete> aaaargh!
22:50  * genete back to work on the splash!
22:51 < rore> I prefer zenoscope's one so far, it gives more an "animation" feeling
22:51 < rore> (mine is deadly static)
22:51 < pixelgeek> If you want to release an RC, I can build a Windows version, but it would be the old type - 4 app installation.  
22:51 < genete> (Gimp 2.8 will offer a SDI interface!)
22:51 < pixelgeek> The all in one installer setup is on my work PC (behind the firewall)
22:51 < genete> pixelgeek: so you don't plan to include the unified installer to this release?
22:52 < pixelgeek> Absolutely I do - I just need to coordinate having the laptop in the right place at the right time. 
22:52 < pixelgeek> (I leave it at work midweek when I cycle into work)
22:53 < pixelgeek> So if you want to do a RC build today, I could do the standard release package tonight, and follow up with the all in one on Friday. 
22:54 < pixelgeek> Actually, I suppose if you wrap it up in a tarball somewhere http accessible, I could probably get that at the office.
22:54 < pixelgeek> So, anytime!  Bring it on!
22:55 < pixelgeek> Go Genete!  Go!
22:55 < genete> :)
22:55 < pixelgeek> Vamos, Genete! Vamos!
22:55 < genete> I've emailed to Zelgadis
22:56 < genete> he replied me that he is in a issue that would take apart of Morevna and Synfig about two months
22:56 < pixelgeek> Take him away from..?  
22:56 < genete> hopefully he can package the universal packages (deb and rpm) in a small free time
22:56  * pixelgeek nods
22:57 < pixelgeek> just went through one of those.  
22:57 < genete> he is very anxious to return
22:57 < genete> but obligations are obligations
22:57 < pixelgeek> Especially the ones that pay the bills.  
22:58 < genete> I'm anxious to finish the splash.
22:58 < pixelgeek> I'm not sure I'm even going to enter....  
22:59 < genete> anyway the current ones are good enough to allow a good release
23:00 < pixelgeek> No inspiration, no motivation with all the good ones that we have already. 
23:01  * genete is in a bit of loose the inspiration after rore's entry. But unfortunately (or not) I was in the 50% of the work
23:02 < rore> simple: do something with some characters, instead of just some dull logo & text ;)
23:02 < rore> (btw, anyone can reuse the simplified logo if needed)
23:03 < genete> rore: for the RC I'll just add a big "0.62-RC" on top of current splash screen. I think it is enough
23:04 < rore> yup, that should do it
23:04 < pixelgeek> Blank PNG with 0.62 RC on it :)
23:05 < pixelgeek> Did anyone check to see how Transparent PNGs show up as splashscreens?  
23:05 < genete> not me
23:08 < pixelgeek> yuck - must fix smooth move icon one of these days.  You can't see it but the outlines around the corners of the arrows are not pretty at high magnification.
23:12 < pixelgeek> Meh - transparent just comes out as a grey background :(
23:14 < genete> I wish different mouse cursors for different tools
23:15 < genete> it is a disaster to intentionally click on the canvas when you have the zoom tool selected
23:15 < pixelgeek> yup - been there.
23:20 < rore> zoom tool? Do people actualy use this? 
23:21 < rore> I always thought that was the most useless tool, as zooming can be achieve with ctrl+scroll 
23:22 < genete> ctrl+scroll passes by the intermediate steps and for slow computers the zoom tool can be a time saver
23:22 < pixelgeek> I find it very handy just to draw a box around what I want to see. 
23:23 < pixelgeek> Ctrl+scroll is tough on a tablet too.  
23:23  * genete nods
23:24 < genete> can I take the risk of show the WIP of my splash screen?
23:26 < genete> I guess I shouldn't 
23:27 < rore> ok, I'm just not used to the zoom tool :) 
23:27 < rore> genete: show! you'll have cookies :)
23:27 < rore> (virtual ones, however :p)
23:27 < genete> Hmmm
23:27  * pixelgeek curious too
23:28 < genete> better no
23:28 < genete> I don't want to be influenced on the colors
23:28 < pixelgeek> Tease!
23:28 < genete> I doubt on colors so I want to make my own mistake
23:29 < genete> it is just a week or so to wait
23:33 < rylleman> genete: with all the anticipation you're building up your entry better be a Rembrandt! ;-)
23:33 < genete> hahahah
23:33 < rore> totally!
23:33 < genete> it is time consuming!
23:34 < rylleman> things always takes much more time than you estimate at first...
23:34 < rore> but, more like rembrandt with a few liters of coffee (or tea) in his veins
23:34 < genete> :-(
23:36 < rore> or chocolate? In the belly? :)
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23:42 < pixelgeek> Well, if Genete's turns out half as well as he's promising, I'm definitely not going to win the contest this time.
23:51 < rore> did you started? 
23:55 < rore> arghhh. Did you *start? (I always make that mistake, grrrr) 
23:56 < genete> (rore it is a copyrighted genete's mistake, so don't stole it to me!)
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