--- Log opened Thu Jul 30 00:00:18 2009
00:09 < LinkMauve> Good night all! :)
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01:33 < genete> pixelgeek, you need to install libxml++ > 2.20
01:34 < genete> otherwise we need to modify a bunch of code lines to make it compatible with the old procedure. 
01:35 < genete> consider that libxml++-2.20 is dated at september 2007 so it is a bit "old".  The latest release is 2.26
01:35 < genete> night
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03:07 < Zelgadis> hi
03:07 < Zelgadis> pixelgeek: I can't read your log on pastebin
03:08 < Zelgadis> But probably I have same error with libxml++
03:08 < Zelgadis> My libxml++ is 2.14.0 ^__^''
03:08 < Zelgadis> I'm updating to 2.20 now
03:15 < Zelgadis> pixelgeek: I can understand your worries about upgrades
03:17 < Zelgadis> For example libxml++-2.14.0 works well with glibmm-2.12.8/gtkmm-2.10.9
03:20 < Zelgadis> ...but same version of libxml++ not works with glibmm-2.18.1/gtkmm-2.14.1
03:21 < Zelgadis> so to use glibmm-2.18.1/gtkmm-2.14.1 I need libxml of higher version
03:21 < Zelgadis> Which version?
03:22 < Zelgadis> I'm determining this by examining the set of packages from differrent versions of Fedora distribution (or any other)
03:22 < Zelgadis> If they work in distribution, then they probably work together
03:23 < Zelgadis> I.e. here: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything/source/SRPMS/
03:23 < Zelgadis> we can see that glibmm-2.18.1/gtkmm-2.14.1 are shipped with Fedora 10
03:23 < Zelgadis> and it ships libxml++-2.23.2
03:24 < Zelgadis> So there's much chance that they will be compatible and synfig will built fine
03:25 < Zelgadis> Release of any distribution is like a snapshot of compatible lib versions. I hope that will help.
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03:34 < pi7xelgeek> Hi Zelgadis 
03:34 < Zelgadis> Hi, pi7xelgeek!
03:34 < pi7xelgeek> yes, that helps a lot
03:35 < pi7xelgeek> I'm trying to decide whether to just upgrade the libxml, or the whole gtkmm
03:35 < Zelgadis> go for gtkmm!
03:35 < pi7xelgeek> :P
03:35 < Zelgadis> ^____^
03:36 < Zelgadis> don't do work twice ~_^
03:36 < pi7xelgeek> So you recommend gtkmm 2.14.1?
03:36 < Zelgadis> Yes, I do recommend libxml++-2.23.2/glibmm-2.18.1/gtkmm-2.14.1 combination
03:37 < Zelgadis> If that will not work on windows, then go down from Fedora 10 to Fedora 9 and see what combination of libxml++/glibmm/gtkmm it hav there
03:37 < Zelgadis> *have
03:40 < pi7xelgeek> Looks like the windows gtkmm bundles have different combinations....  
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03:41 < Zelgadis> Ah, they combined together? Neverminfd my comments then ^__^''
03:43 < pi7xelgeek> We should have a baseline recommendation though.  Right now, you can build Synfig 0.61.09 with gtk 2.10
03:43 < Zelgadis> you mean for windows?
03:43 < pi7xelgeek> If we include the svg patch, looks like we'll have to up that.  
03:43 < pi7xelgeek> yes
03:43 < Zelgadis> right
03:44 < Zelgadis> For svg patch we need to modify configure so it will require libxml++>=2.20
03:44 < pi7xelgeek> Is there any way I can figure out what version of libxml I have installed?
03:44 < pi7xelgeek> Is that the cutoff?
03:44 < Zelgadis> I don't know how to do that on windows
03:45 < pi7xelgeek> How do you do it in Linux?  Synaptic?
03:45 < Zelgadis> rpm
03:45 < Zelgadis> rpm -qv libxml++
03:46 < Zelgadis> That will not work for windows
03:46 < pi7xelgeek> Yeah, that's not going to work for me :)
03:46 < Zelgadis> try to examine Readme files bundled with gtkmm
03:47 < pi7xelgeek> There's a thought.  I was poking through the libxml dirs.  I should look higher.
03:49 < pi7xelgeek> Ah - I bet it's in those pesky 'documentation' options I didn't install...
03:52 < pi7xelgeek> Zelgadis: You mean - For svg patch we need to modify configure so it will require libxml++>=2.6.20?
03:54 < Zelgadis> no
03:54 < Zelgadis> I have 2.20.0 installing now
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03:54 < pi7xelgeek> :( then the win32 dependencies folder on ftp.gnome.org is waaaaaay out of date
03:54 < pi7xelgeek> OK - new gtk & gtkmm it is.
03:54 < Zelgadis> Hi, nikitakit
03:55 < nikitakit> Hi
03:55  * pi7xelgeek waves
03:55 < nikitakit> Hello
03:59 < nikitakit> How are things going?
04:00 < pi7xelgeek> fighting with gtk :)
04:00 < Zelgadis> nikitakit: great! Synfig moves.
04:00 < pi7xelgeek> Zelgadis: any reason not to use the latest gtk version?
04:00 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: don't know
04:53 < Zelgadis> genete: I have successfully compiled genete_master, but it is crashes every time I'm trying to add svg
04:53 < Zelgadis> (with libxml 2.20.0)
04:53 < Zelgadis> ++
04:54 < Zelgadis> Looks like File_>Import imports svg in the old way
04:54 < Zelgadis> I'm adding SVGImport layer from NonVisible group, set path to file and then crash
04:54 < Zelgadis> Thats it
04:56 < Zelgadis> Ah! I was wrong!
04:56 < Zelgadis> It imports!
04:57 < Zelgadis> (I have set path to png instead of svg by mistake)
05:01 < nikitakit> :) SVG
05:16 < pi7xelgeek> looks like Zelgadis found a bug too.
05:17 < pi7xelgeek> I think it's all coming back to me now...  One of the reasons I didn't update gtk - it isn't bundling libxml.  
05:22 < pi7xelgeek> Or rather it does, but not where I was expecting it...
05:44 < pi7xelgeek> Zelgadis: core built, but
05:45 < pi7xelgeek> when I run configure for studio, I'm getting a configure error - Gtkmm-2.4 is a required library, aborting.  
05:45 < pi7xelgeek> I have Gtkmm 2.14
05:45 < Zelgadis> check if you have headers
05:51 < pi7xelgeek> Looks like it - although I don't know if I'm looking at the right ones
05:51 < pi7xelgeek> It's checking for gthread-2.0
05:51 < pi7xelgeek> should there be a gthread header?
05:53 < pi7xelgeek> yes - gthread.h
05:53 < pi7xelgeek> got it
06:02 < pi7xelgeek> Zelgadis: where does configure get it's information about what versions to compare to?
06:02 < Zelgadis> I don't know
06:02 < Zelgadis> post your config.log, please
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06:16 < pi7xelgeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/config.log
06:18 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: Where is your gthread.h header?
06:20 < pi7xelgeek> c:\gtk\include\glib-2.0\glib\gthread.h
06:20 < pi7xelgeek> (GTK in caps )
06:20 < Zelgadis> ok
06:20 < Zelgadis> where is your pkgconfig (*.pc) files?
06:21 < Zelgadis> do you have them?
06:23 < pi7xelgeek> C:\GTK\lib\pkgconfig
06:24 < pi7xelgeek> hey - the gthread-2.0.pc says it's version 2.20 :)
06:24 < Zelgadis> cat C/GTK/lib/pkgconfig/gthread-2.0.pc
06:24 < Zelgadis> please
06:25 < Zelgadis> and
06:25 < Zelgadis> cat C/GTK/lib/pkgconfig/gtkmm-2.4
06:27 < pi7xelgeek> where would you like the output?
06:27 < Zelgadis> pastebin, please
06:28 < pi7xelgeek> here? pastebin?
06:28 < pi7xelgeek> .org?
06:28 < Zelgadis> yeah
06:29 < pi7xelgeek> http://pastebin.org/5230
06:30 < Zelgadis> OK, your .pc files directing to very strange places
06:31 < pi7xelgeek> strange for linux or strange for windows?
06:31 < pi7xelgeek> or strange for me?
06:31 < Zelgadis> both ^___^
06:31 < Zelgadis> i.e. prefix=c:/devel/target/112464291879880cd214519ed5db3b36
06:31 < Zelgadis> I suppose you haven't c:/devel/target/112464291879880cd214519ed5db3b36 ?
06:31 < Zelgadis> ~_^
06:32 < pi7xelgeek> No, I'm pretty sure I haven't.  
06:32 < pi7xelgeek> I'm wondering if that was the prefix on the PC used to generate the gtkmm windows install?
06:33 < Zelgadis> I think that too
06:34 < pi7xelgeek> glib has the same prefix.  
06:35 < Zelgadis> post your configure script too, please
06:35 < pi7xelgeek> configure doesn't actualy use that though, does it?  It just scans for the version number with pkg-config?
06:36 < pi7xelgeek> You want the configure file (the one with no extension) ?
06:37 < Zelgadis> yes
06:39 < pi7xelgeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/configure
06:40 < Zelgadis> good
06:40 < pi7xelgeek> ?
06:40 < Zelgadis> you have this line in configure.log: "configure:21677: error:  ** Gtkmm-2.4 Is a required library, aborting."
06:41 < Zelgadis> I plan to look at line 21677 of configure
06:41  * pi7xelgeek following along at home
06:44 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: execute "/C/GTK/bin/pkg-config --exists "gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0" please
06:44 < pi7xelgeek> Well, I see the line, anyway.  not sure about the lines before it.
06:44 < pi7xelgeek> OK
06:45 < Zelgadis> I'm looking at line above:
06:45 < Zelgadis> configure:21464: checking for gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0
06:45 < Zelgadis> and see it checks for "if $PKG_CONFIG --exists "gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0" ; then ..."
06:45 < Zelgadis> at line 21467
06:46 < pi7xelgeek> No output :(
06:46 < Zelgadis> echo $?
06:47 < Zelgadis> execute right after the previous command
06:47 < pi7xelgeek> $
06:47 < pi7xelgeek> Sorry - I misread
06:48 < pi7xelgeek> 1
06:48 < Zelgadis> right. That's the problem
06:48 < pi7xelgeek> That's good?
06:49 < pi7xelgeek> That's bad :(
06:49 < Zelgadis> 1 means error
06:49 < Zelgadis> that means that /C/GTK/bin/pkg-config --exists "gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0" was unsuccessfull
06:49 < pi7xelgeek> so why is pkg-config claiming that, when the pc file shows the verion is OK?
06:50 < Zelgadis> So pkg-config can't find your .pc files located at /C/GTK/lib/pkgconfig/
06:50 < Zelgadis> pkg-config doesn't know where to find .pc files on your system ^__^
06:50 < Zelgadis> let's tell him ^____^
06:50 < pi7xelgeek> I was going to say - I'm sure there's a setting somewhere...
06:50 < Zelgadis> "echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH" please
06:51 < pi7xelgeek>  /C/GTK/lib/pkgconfig
06:52 < pi7xelgeek> Well that's promising.
06:52 < Zelgadis> "ls /C/GTK/lib/pkgconfig"
06:52 < pi7xelgeek> yup, they list
06:52 < pi7xelgeek> including gtkmm-2.4.pc
06:53 < Zelgadis> and gthread.pc?
06:53 < pi7xelgeek> and gthread-2.0.pc
06:53 < Zelgadis> ok
06:54 < pi7xelgeek> Can pkg-config tell us what it thinks it's seeing?
06:54 < Zelgadis> Now this: /C/GTK/bin/pkg-config --exists --print-errors "gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0"
06:54 < Zelgadis> ^___^ parallel minds
06:55 < pi7xelgeek> Ahah! Package pangomm-1.4 was not found.
06:55 < Zelgadis> full output please! ^___^
06:55 < pi7xelgeek> pangomm-1.4 required by gdkmm
06:57 < pi7xelgeek> http://pastebin.org/5234
06:57 < Zelgadis> thanks
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06:57 < pi7xelgeek> maybe I should go install pango?  
06:57 < pi7xelgeek> I think it was optional in gtkmm 2.10
06:58 < Zelgadis> check that please
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06:58 < Zelgadis> and search for pangomm-1.4.pc
06:58 < pi7xelgeek> pretty sure I didn't see it - will double check
07:01  * pi7xelgeek reinstalling gtkmm _WITH_ pangomm this time.
07:01 < Zelgadis> cool
07:01 < pi7xelgeek> Remind me to update the wiki after all this.
07:02 < pi7xelgeek> yay - echo $? =0
07:02 < pi7xelgeek> ^^ = 0
07:02 < Zelgadis> cool!
07:02 < Zelgadis> configure should pass further now
07:02 < Zelgadis> try it
07:02 < pi7xelgeek> in process
07:03 < pi7xelgeek> nice detective work Zelgadis!
07:03 < Zelgadis> That's what I'm paid for. ^___^
07:04 < pi7xelgeek> While I won't claim to understand the configure/make/autotools process, bits of it are starting to come together
07:05 < Zelgadis> Yeah, the good thing in OpenSource is that you always can dig inside
07:05 < Zelgadis> That scares at first, but only at first.
07:05 < Zelgadis> Everything is logged. ^____^
07:05 < pi7xelgeek> If you know where to look
07:06 < pi7xelgeek> When I first started looking at Synfig, all the recursive folders completely confused me.
07:06 < pi7xelgeek> everyone with its own makefile or configure 
07:07 < pi7xelgeek> or both
07:08 < pi7xelgeek> How's the weather in Russia today?
07:08 < Zelgadis> sunny, but not that hot
07:09 < pi7xelgeek> You're lucky - it hit 40C here again today
07:10 < Zelgadis> ^___^
07:10 < pi7xelgeek> It's supposed to cool a little tomorrow.  Anything will seem coller in comparison
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07:14 < genete> it is not strictly needed to upgrade libxml++ ^__^'
07:14 < Zelgadis> Hi, genete!
07:14 < Zelgadis> Are you sure?
07:15 < genete> but at one time it will be mandatory to upgrde gtk ;)
07:15 < genete> I can replace all those lines with the old command style
07:15 < Zelgadis> I was unable to build with libxml++<2.20.0
07:15 < genete> hi Zelgadis :)
07:15 < pi7xelgeek> Now he tells us!
07:15 < Zelgadis> Ah, I see
07:15 < genete> I told it!
07:15 < Zelgadis> genete: We're saving your efforts! ^____^
07:16 < genete> 01:34 < genete> otherwise we need to modify a bunch of code lines to make it compatible with the old procedure.  
07:16 < pi7xelgeek> Actually, only modify the same line several times over.
07:16 < genete> but I guess that gtk is something that at the end you must upgrade 
07:18 < Zelgadis> genete: So you have to modify those lines or modify requirements ^___^
07:18 < genete> I don't know how to modify requirements
07:19 < Zelgadis> everything is possible. What do you prefer?
07:19 < Zelgadis> 1 or 2?
07:19 < genete> well, I don't have problems with building and it is a fair simple modification ;)
07:20 < Zelgadis> ok, then modify it ^___^
07:20 < genete> seriusly, I don't mind to change the svg code but you should consider to upgrade gtk gtkmm
07:20 < Zelgadis> I can downgrade anytime to check
07:20 < genete> if not we never evolve!
07:21 < Zelgadis> Upgrading gtkmm is not a problem for me. I'm waiting for pixelgeek
07:21 < Zelgadis> And he is on his way
07:21 < Zelgadis> already
07:21 < genete> yeah, me catching the logs :)
07:26 < pi7xelgeek> OK - cross your fingers
07:26 < genete> ok, good job guys
07:27 < pi7xelgeek> Booo!!!!!  This application failed to start because libfontconfig-1.dll was not found
07:27 < genete> I'm very late. Catch you later
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07:27 < pi7xelgeek> bye!
07:28 < Zelgadis> good night, pi7xelgeek 
07:28 < pi7xelgeek> that was bye to genete
07:28 < pi7xelgeek> Or are you going to bed too?
07:28  * pixelbot is tired too
07:28 < Zelgadis> ah
07:28 < Zelgadis> mistake-mistake
07:28 < Zelgadis> But it's good idea
07:29 < pi7xelgeek> I'm with you.  
07:29 < pi7xelgeek> I don't appear to have a libfontconfig on my PC.
07:30 < Zelgadis> do you have fontconfig installed?
07:30 < Zelgadis> Maybe with gtk?
07:31 < pi7xelgeek> Nope
07:32 < pi7xelgeek> It's listed as a third party dependency for windows
07:32 < pi7xelgeek> Guess that one's not optional, despite what gtk.org says :)
07:35 < pi7xelgeek> now missing freetype6.dll
07:37 < pi7xelgeek> now libexpat.dll
07:37 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
07:40 < pi7xelgeek> Now looking for libfreetype-6.dll, but I've already installed freetype!  There's only one dll in there, and it's freetype6.dll
07:41 < Zelgadis> rename it?
07:41 < Zelgadis> errr, better copy
07:41 < pi7xelgeek> this is getting kudgey...
07:42 < pi7xelgeek> Finally!
07:43 < pi7xelgeek> We're up!
07:43 < Zelgadis> started?
07:43 < pi7xelgeek> Lot's of Gtk-WARNINGs in the console
07:43 < pi7xelgeek> inserting action group '' into UI manager which already has a group with this name
07:44 < pi7xelgeek> New setup icon :)
07:46 < pi7xelgeek> Where's the svg import layer?
07:46 < Zelgadis> NotVisible
07:46 < Zelgadis> submenu
07:47 < pi7xelgeek> or in my case just not visible :)
07:47 < pi7xelgeek> I think I know why.
07:47 < Zelgadis> wrong branch??
07:48 < pi7xelgeek> nope - genete_master - md5 ending 0b3d5b
07:49 < pi7xelgeek> I'll keep you in suspense while I check my hunch
07:49 < Zelgadis> Layer -> NewLayer -> NotVisible ->?
07:52  * pi7xelgeek guessed right
07:52 < pi7xelgeek> Now we have it.
07:52  * pi7xelgeek searches around for an SVG to import
07:57 < pi7xelgeek> :( Unless it takes an awful long time, I think it's hung
07:57 < pi7xelgeek> Zelgadis: have you tried importing the firefox svg logo from wikipedia?
07:57 < Zelgadis> I haven't
07:57 < Zelgadis> link?
07:58 < pi7xelgeek> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Firefox-logo.svg
08:06 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: hung too
08:06 < pi7xelgeek> Ok - one to file with akagogo.
08:07 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: try that: http://openclipart.org/media/download/elfurion/27352
08:09 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: To crown it all, what is your version of gtkmm now?
08:10 < pi7xelgeek> 2.16.0
08:12 < pi7xelgeek> Well.  Cherry.svg didn't work
08:12 < pi7xelgeek> I found another one that looked like it worked, but when I tried to zoom out, it crashed.
08:12 < Zelgadis> really? works for me
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08:13 < pi7xelgeek> I'll play with it some more tomorrow, but for now, I think I'm going to bed
08:13  * pixelbot is tired too
08:14 < pi7xelgeek> genete - svg import very crashy under windows
08:14 < genete> good night pi7xelgeek 
08:14 < genete> did you build and run it finally?
08:14 < pi7xelgeek> Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh......  
08:14 < genete> aah what?
08:14 < pi7xelgeek> pinch me now.
08:15 < pi7xelgeek> I don't have the CPU affinitization program on the new PC...
08:15 < genete> :)
08:15 < genete> also don't try to import any kind of svg file
08:15 < genete> better open it with inkscape and save as plain SVG
08:16 < genete> there is not support for any SVG variations
08:16 < pi7xelgeek> We should have some known good ones to point people at.  
08:16 < genete> and it only parses "correctly" the xml 1.1 version
08:16 < pi7xelgeek> firefox logo will be a dead cert that people will want to animate. 
08:16 < genete> yeah
08:16 < genete> ah!
08:17 < genete> I will look the code to see if I can detect the xml version and avoid to open other versions not compatible
08:17 < pi7xelgeek> I know it's a bit late to ask the question, but any reason why it isn't part of the 'import' code?
08:17 < genete> pi7xelgeek: please take note of which libraries did you need to build suscesfully and write then in the build inst. 
08:18 < pi7xelgeek> jajaja
08:18 < genete> "import code"?
08:18 < genete> the import code uses external libraries I think
08:19 < genete> this one is a built in on
08:19 < Zelgadis> genete: When pi7xelgeek will make a package with new gtkmm, I'll update my gtkmm and I think then it will be possible to migrate to new tooltips
08:19 < genete> Zelgadis: ok good news then
08:20 < genete> please don't missunderstood me, I don't mind to stick to old libraries but that situation cannot be supported eternally
08:21 < pi7xelgeek> Well, I don't think I could have updated when I first started doing this.
08:21 < pi7xelgeek> I couldn't have done it today without Zelgadis 
08:21 < genete> because at some point the old libraries will become uncompatible with some other "must have" libraries and the problem will be worse
08:21 < pi7xelgeek> It's time I packaged all the dependencies up for the Windows users. 
08:22 < genete> yeah! thanks to Zelgadis!! long life to Zelgadis!!!
08:22 < pi7xelgeek> Then they won't care because it will 'just work' out of the box.
08:22 < genete> pi7xelgeek: \o/
08:22 < pi7xelgeek> Can we redist imagemagick?
08:23 < pi7xelgeek> ffmpeg?
08:23 < genete> depends on its license
08:23 < pi7xelgeek> Blender sequencer :)
08:23 < pi7xelgeek> I'll look into it.
08:24 < genete> ffmpeg is 2.1 or later
08:24 < pi7xelgeek> ?
08:25 < genete> GPL version I mean ^__^'
08:26 < pi7xelgeek> ah
08:26 < genete> and imagemagick says it is GPL compatible
08:27 < pi7xelgeek> and openexr is compiled in
08:27 < Zelgadis> genete: No worries, I'm understanding you. You have a reason to migrate on new tooltips. 
08:28 < pi7xelgeek> What's different with the new tooltips?
08:28 < genete> new tooltips allows images as tooltips and the old ones only text
08:28 < genete> but that's not the reason!
08:29 < Zelgadis> ...and deprecated function
08:29 < genete> the reason is the possibly deprecation of some of the members
08:29 < Zelgadis> pi7xelgeek: It's good to ship ImageMagick to allow magck++ target
08:29 < Zelgadis> You may have problems with ffmpeg
08:30 < genete> Zelgadis: AFAIK ImageMagick doesn't do anithing with magick++target
08:30 < Zelgadis> Synfig core crashes if compiled with libavcodec
08:30 < Zelgadis> genete: It does. It just packaged to different packages on distributions
08:31 < Zelgadis> In real it's just have single source - ImageMagick
08:31 < genete> did you mean GraphicMagick instead?
08:31 < pi7xelgeek> Unfortunately Magick++ only compiles under MS C++
08:31 < Zelgadis> I don't know, maybe Ubuntu uses different versions
08:32 < Zelgadis> But I shipping mgick++ compiled from ImageMagick sources.
08:32 < pi7xelgeek> I tried when dooglus was around to compile it under msys, but no go.
08:32 < Zelgadis> ok
08:33 < genete> Zelgadis: yes Ubuntu changed it
08:33 < pi7xelgeek> the AV encoder didn't have a windows port either.
08:33 < genete> there is a fork of magick++ called GraphicMagick
08:34 < Zelgadis> I see
08:34 < genete> and due to that Ubuntu people has moved the paths to the headers so ubuntu people cannot still having the current magick++ from Imagemagick
08:39 < pi7xelgeek> 'night all
08:41 < genete> night
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13:28 < genete> hello people
13:28 < genete> I know that it can be a little early but I guess I should ask before continue coding far away
13:29 < genete> I'm working on add the movable width points to the outline layer
13:30 < genete> the day before yesterday I was talking with darco about it and he suggested to create a new outline layer instead of modify the existing one
13:31 < genete> it would allow open the old compositions without not much troouble and optionally, choosen by the user the old outline layer can eventually be converted to the new one at the moment of  open an old file
13:31 < genete> but, as far as I'm working on a new outline layer I wonder if I should include other wanted features that doesn't exists in the current one
13:32 < genete> those features can be:
13:32 < genete> 1) more end tips types
13:32 < genete> 2) brushes
13:33 < genete> 3) split tangent by angle or split tangent by radius only. (this might imply a blinepoint modification and it is independent of the new outline layer)
13:37 < genete> any other feature request related to outlines you have in mind?
13:39 < genete> for my taste brushes is the most interesting one
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13:57 < prokoudine> genete: hi
13:57 < prokoudine> genete: may I get git commit access to commit translation updates?
13:58 < prokoudine> genete: I'd probably even go as far as fixing i18n errors like filters layers not marked for translation or not added to the list of translatables
13:58 < prokoudine> genete: but not further most probably :)
14:01 < genete> prokoudine: have you got a sf account? give it to me and I'll add you to have commit access
14:02 < genete> I mean, show me your username and I can enable proper rights to it
14:09 < prokoudine> sf account is prokoudine :)
14:13 < genete> btw, prokoudine, did you finally build synfig on your I-bex machine?
14:13 < prokoudine> yes
14:13 < prokoudine> turned out you fixed ETL :)
14:15 < genete> cool. 
14:16 < genete> prokoudine: you have git access now. Please do all changes in your own branch and leave me or other admins to merge it to master once it has been checked by others
14:17 < genete> unless very trivial modifications we prefer to merge branches inestead of direct master commits
14:19 < prokoudine> okay :)
14:19 < prokoudine> thanks :)
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16:52 < genete> continuing with the previous issue: maybe the brush feature should be a brush layer instead of overload the outline liyer
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17:07 < Yoyobuae> brushes, hmm interesting
17:09 < genete> BTW, update the documentation in the wiki is a continuous improvement that can be done from any user that has a wiki account. :D 
17:10 < Yoyobuae> i wonder how slow will synfig trying to render a complete drawing done with brushes only xD
17:12 < genete> nowadays it can be done using duplicate. It is just a question of compact the feature: http://synfig.org/Brushes
17:16 < Yoyobuae> hmm, brushes are more like Plant layer than Outline
17:17 < Yoyobuae> except that Plants use a fixed hardcoded "brush"
17:17 < Yoyobuae> and also branch
17:17 < genete> a small square
17:17 < genete> I think branches of the plant are also the small squares
17:18 < Yoyobuae> yep, they're all small squares
17:18 < genete> it would be cool to replace the small square with any "other thing" ;)
17:18 < genete> like a leave ;)
17:19 < genete> errr leaf?
17:19 < Yoyobuae> yep "leaf"
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