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01:27 < Coolname007> i'm back! AGAIN!!!!!
01:27 < Coolname007> u there, pabs or pixelgeek?
01:28 < Coolname007> i came here earlier, but got no response from ANYONE, so i left!!!
01:28 < Coolname007> just warning u!
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01:30 < Coolname007> there akhil?
01:30 < Coolname007> zanqdo?
01:30 < Coolname007> 5
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01:30 < ZanQdo> yo
01:30 < Coolname007> cool! 
01:30 < ZanQdo> whats up m8
01:30 < Coolname007> so where's pabs?
01:30 < Coolname007> pixelgeek?
01:31 < Coolname007> r u an administrator of synfig too?
01:31 < ZanQdo> nope
01:31 < Coolname007> hmm..
01:31 < Coolname007> know anything about synfig?
01:31 < ZanQdo> a bit
01:32 < Coolname007> ok...what do u think of the program opening with FIVE windows, instead of the usual one?
01:33 < ZanQdo> yah that can suck in windows
01:33 < ZanQdo> in linux its not that bad
01:33 < ZanQdo> you just open in a new desktop
01:33 < Coolname007> oh..
01:33 < Coolname007> so what version of linux do u have?
01:34 < Coolname007> ubuntu?
01:34 < ZanQdo> open suse
01:34 < Coolname007> hmm...never heard of it!!
01:34 < Coolname007> of course...i don't know much about linux!
01:35 < Coolname007> so how different is the problem in linux?
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01:39 < ZanQdo> well its just the interfaces in linux like KDE offer a lot of tools to manage stuff like this
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02:00 < Coolname007> what kind of picture format works in synfig?
02:01 < Coolname007> i tried to open a jpg. but it didn't work!
02:01 < Coolname007> does png work in synfig?
02:01 < Coolname007> yes...i know what ur thinking!!! Coolname007 has returned?
02:02 < Coolname007> yes! yes, i have!
02:02 < Coolname007> so what type?
02:03 < Coolname007> *twirling fingers*
02:03 < Coolname007> :D
02:03 < Coolname007> :(
02:03 < Coolname007> :/
02:03 < Coolname007> :O
02:03 < Coolname007> ;)
02:03 < Coolname007> :)
02:03 < Coolname007> :(
02:03 < Coolname007> still waiting...
02:04 < Coolname007> MAN! this place must be DEAD!
02:04 < Coolname007> :/
02:04 < Coolname007> :s
02:04 < Coolname007> :)
02:04 < Coolname007> :(
02:05 < Coolname007> 20 mins and counting!
02:05 < Coolname007> 20 min, 50 secs
02:06 < Coolname007> 21 min
02:06 < Coolname007> ok! i waited a FULL hour now! and no body's responded!
02:06 < Coolname007> :(
02:08 < Coolname007> MAN! this is annoying!
02:08 < Coolname007> HE...LLO!!!!
02:08 < Coolname007> HEL...LO!!
02:09 < Coolname007> that's it!
02:09 < Coolname007> i am OUT of here!
02:09 < Coolname007> :(
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02:15 < Fatalnix> Hey.
02:18 < Fatalnix> So where was I...
02:24 < pabs3> hi Fatalnix 
02:29 < Fatalnix> I wish sourceforge had git
02:29 < Fatalnix> heh
02:30  * pabs3 also
02:31 < pabs3> dooglus: about the missing/unreadable plugins, perhaps synfig should raise an error or something and studio should display it when loading?
02:32 < pabs3> s/loading/drawing/
02:32 < Fatalnix> wait... synfig uses aalib!?
02:36 < pabs3> nope
02:37 < pabs3> perhaps it is pulled in by ffmpeg or imagemagick
02:38 < Fatalnix> wow, etl compiled very quick and clean
02:38 < Fatalnix> Now for the core
02:39 < pabs3> etl is just templates, doesn't compile
02:40 < Fatalnix> Ah I see.
02:40 < Fatalnix> ... autoreconf faiure... **sigh
02:41 < Fatalnix> Makefile.am:6: required directory ./libltdl does not exist
02:41 < pabs3> did u libtoolize?
02:41 < Fatalnix> I don't know why I should have to
02:43 < pabs3> it chucks libltdl into the source tree
02:43 < Fatalnix> Yeah, but what I don't understand is why it isn't already there, unless its not a common requirement
02:43 < Fatalnix> yeah I ran all of that and I get the same thing after an aclocal
02:43 < pabs3> you are using an svn checkout?
02:44 < Fatalnix> yup
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02:52 < Fatalnix> stupid libstdl
02:52 < Fatalnix> ltdl*
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02:55 < pixelbot> ( pixelgeek ) pixelgeek Hi there!
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03:46 < pixelgeek> sorry, but it made me laugh - http://images.stage6.com/channel_images/refuselife/46b04019063ef.jpg
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03:52 < pabs3> pixelgeek: URL doesn't seem to work for me
03:53 < pixelgeek> Try this one? http://bp0.blogger.com/_-aa_97QMwyM/RreBYCr3t-I/AAAAAAAAAGs/UpuFj-31Rbc/s1600-h/46b04019063ef.jpg
03:54 < pixelgeek> Or here - http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/9ec8708a_syntax_20error.jpg
04:00 < pabs3> heh
04:01  * pixelgeek getting sick again - going to get an early night tonight.
04:01 < pabs3> :(
04:02 < pixelgeek> Say hi to Coolname007 from me if you see him. 
04:02 < pixelgeek> 'night all
04:02 < pabs3> :)
04:02 < pabs3> nite
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05:07 < pabs3> oooh http://lwn.net/Articles/305663/
05:14 < CIA-60> synfig: pabs3 * r2155 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/gradient.cpp: Use the l printf length modifier when printing the value of long ints, fixes a compiler warning in the gradient code.
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05:44 < CIA-60> synfig: pabs3 * r2156 /ETL/trunk/ETL/_pen.h: Don't ignore type qualifiers on a couple of ETL pen functions, fixes a couple of GCC warnings.
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05:55 < CIA-60> synfig: pabs3 * r2157 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_draw.cpp: Use the z printf length modifier when printing the value of size_t values, fixes a compiler warning in the draw tool code.
05:56 < AkhIL> he-he CIA have a lot of work again!
06:25 < CIA-60> synfig: pabs3 * r2158 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/time.cpp: Initialise a couple of values before using them.
06:31 < pabs3> dooglus: there is one more warning: type qualifiers ignored on function return type in nodebase.h, but I wasn't able to figure out how to fix it
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08:13 < genete> who won the presidential elections in US?
08:13  * genete hides
08:14 < mercury__> osama
08:15  * genete still being hidden
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09:10 < dooglus> pabspabspabs: how do I see this warning of which you speak?
09:11 < dooglus> perhaps I need to be using g++-4.3?
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09:11 < pabs3> compiling synfig should be enough to see it
09:12 < pabs3> I did make install 2>&1 | egrep '(error|warning)'
09:12 < pabs3> this was with optimisation=0 and debug on
09:12 < pabs3> yeah, prob need to be using 4.3
09:16 < dooglus> right.  4.3 shows them
09:16 < dooglus> that's a warning about the sigc code
09:16 < dooglus> nothing to do with us
09:16 < dooglus> it's saying that there's no point declaring a function to return 'const int'
09:17 < dooglus> it returns an int - and the caller can change it if it wants, whether the function says it's 'const' or not
09:17 < dooglus> the 'const' modifier on the return type is ignored
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09:18 < pabs3> no, theres one in the nodebase.h
09:18 < pabs3> well, 2
09:18 < pabs3> and also some in sigc
09:21 < dooglus> genete's machine doesn't have g++-4.3 and my laptop is v. slow
09:21 < pabs3> dooglus: which gcc version do you normally use?
09:22 < pabs3> ah
09:22 < dooglus> changing lines 88-89 of nodebase.h to:
09:22 < dooglus> 	PX_DEFINE_FUNC_CONST0(get_parents, NodeList)
09:22 < dooglus> 	PX_DEFINE_FUNC_CONST0(get_children, NodeList)
09:22 < dooglus> fixes the problem when building node.cpp
09:22 < dooglus> does it break anything?
09:22 < pabs3> hmm, ok
09:22 < pabs3> not sure
09:22 < dooglus> ah, I can do the full build on genete's machine
09:22 < pabs3> :D
09:23 < dooglus> I just won't see the warnungs
09:23 < dooglus> the achtungs?
09:23 < pabs3> that should be ok
09:23 < dooglus> seems to be ok - just removing the 'const ' from both lines stops all the warnings
09:24 < pabs3> dooglus: did you see the roadmap page btw?
09:24 < dooglus> I didn't
09:24 < pabs3> page/thread
09:24 < dooglus> not since the first post
09:24 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=255&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15
09:24 < dooglus> ok
09:30 < genete> dooglus, pabs3: Zelgadis did a roadmap draft and it is posted in http://synfig.org/Roadmap
09:30 < genete> I would like to continue working on it t have a whole picture of synfig project
09:36 < rore> lalalalahi 
09:36 < dooglus> pabs3: recently I've been building on genete's ubuntu 8.04, which has g++-4.2.  He's planning to upgrade to 8.10 soon, if it's compatible with his graphics card
09:36 < genete> happy day rore! 
09:36 < rore> hm, I didn't see that image version of the roadmap. To me it seems that a text version would work even better 
09:37 < genete> rore: ??? it is just an image!
09:37 < dooglus> pabs3: notice that nodebase.h is only included from node.cpp, and that commenting out its #include from node.cpp seems to have no ill effects at all.  seems it's not used at all.
09:37 < rore> genete: that's what I said. An image. I would prefer a text. 
09:39 < dooglus> genete: it's http://synfig.org/Image:Roadmap.jpg
09:39 < rore> genete: at the moment there's 2 "columns" of suggestion, making them look as opposed suggestions, but they are not, it's just the way it's presented in the image. That's what I don't like about it :p
09:39 < pabs3> dooglus: hmm, true
09:39 < pabs3> rore: for text we have extensive wishlist page
09:39 < pabs3> s/have/have the/
09:40 < rore> yeah, but it's not sorted at all, and there's some double wishes. 
09:40 < rore> Anyway, nevermind
09:40 < pabs3> true
09:41 < dooglus> pabs3: seen the src/synfig/proto directory too?  I doubt we need that either.
09:41 < genete> rore: this is just a draf and it was made with freemind. If we could include an freemind applet in the web you can browse it. Even you can download the .mm file and open with freemind in your computer
09:42 < pabs3> dooglus: that dir doesn't seem to exist any more
09:42 < pabs3> https://synfig.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/synfig/synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/proto
09:43 < genete> rore: and regarding the "two columns" it is just a kind of organization of the branches. I don't see them opposited
09:50 < dooglus> pabs3: I'll comment out the #include of nodebase.h - I don't see how it's being used anywhere
09:55 < pabs3> dooglus: perhaps remove it altogether?
09:56 < dooglus> pabs3: I'm thinking maybe it will be useful at some point
09:56 < pabs3> hmm, ok
10:00 < dooglus> I know in the past when I've made what I thought to be safe changes to the node code, subtle bugs were introduced - like the one fixed in r1516
10:07 < CIA-60> synfig: dooglus * r2159 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (node.cpp nodebase.h): nodebase.h appears to be unused. Mark it as such, and don't include it into node.cpp.
10:07 < CIA-60> synfig: dooglus * r2160 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/nodebase.h: 'const' is ignored in the return type of functions, so don't specify it.
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11:02 < genete> I've been playing a bit with imported avi into synfig using ffmpeg
11:02 < genete> and it is a little ... silly to seek from the beggining of the file each time you click 
11:02 < genete> in a different position in the timeliene
11:03 < genete> specially if the click is a frame before the current one
11:03 < pabs3> quite
11:03 < pabs3> need to reimplement it using libav instead
11:04 < genete> I think that it can be rewriten in a better way just enabling reverse seeking from the current frame
11:04 < pabs3> I mean add import to the libav module
11:04 < genete> yes, I read that 
11:04 < pabs3> it isn't possible to seek in pipes
11:05 < pabs3> but maybe you could tell ffmpeg to just output one frame
11:05 < genete> yes, I've noticed :) I did a modification yesterday and it said that the file wasn't a ppm :)
11:05 < genete> I think that something can be done to make it faster. 
11:05 < genete> for example remove the console output
11:06 < genete> I think on a movie of several minutes and get scaried
11:07 < genete> is there any module for libav already in synfig? 
11:07 < pabs3> yes, it only does output though
11:07 < pabs3> actually just need to be able to tell ffmpeg which frame to start at
11:08 < pabs3> hmm, looks like -t might do it
11:08 < genete> I read yesterday the module for ffmpeg and didn't understood some thing on it
11:08 < genete> (like usual :))
11:10 < pabs3> ahh, actually -ss might do it
11:11 < pabs3> yep -ss seems to do it
11:13 < pabs3> genete: does your version of ffmpeg accept -ss ?
11:13 < genete> maybe dooglus can respond to that
11:13 < pabs3> ffmpeg -ss 1 -i foo.avi -an -f image2pipe -vcodec ppm  foo.ppm
11:13 < genete> I cannot acces to it now
11:15 < genete> the version I have is the standard from ubuntu repositories
11:19 < genete> anyway pabs3, the problem is not the ffmpeg command, the problem is the seek function too in ffmpeg module. 
11:20 < genete> To seek to an speciphic frame it grabs the frames from the current one ot the desired frame and it the desired frame is smaller than the current one it seeks from the beggining
11:20 < pabs3> sure, but for the module to seek more efficiently it needs to know which ffmpeg command-line option to use
11:20 < genete> yes
11:20 < pabs3> so it can seek to the right frame
11:20 < pabs3> I'm adding that now
11:20 < genete> coooooooolio 
11:37 < CIA-60> synfig: pabs3 * r2161 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/mod_ffmpeg/mptr_ffmpeg.cpp: Speed up reverse seeking in the ffmpeg importer by using the ffmpeg -ss option to tell ffmpeg to seek to the right frame.
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12:43 < genete> pabs3: so is it possible to drag the time cursor now when a video is loaded?
12:44 < genete> AkhIL: good news to you: direct movie file import is possible now :)
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13:44 < pabs3> genete: it was possible before, this just means it won't take as long
13:45 < AkhIL> I like sequences much more then video files
13:54 < pabs3> why is that?
13:55 < pabs3> (I presume you mean sequences of images using the list importer)
13:58 < dooglus> genete's ffmpeg says: "ffmpeg: missing argument for option '-ss'"
13:59 < dooglus> (if I run just ffmpeg -ss)
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14:37 < pabs3> dooglus: the argument is in seconds or hh:mm:ss.frame
14:37 < pabs3> sounds like it supports it though
14:40 < dooglus> pabs3: right.  I still see a lot of seeking though
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16:33 < pabs3> dooglus: yeah, -ss is only for seeking backwards (it kills ffmpeg and runs it again). for seeking forward it just reads more frames
16:33 < pabs3> I guess seeking forward could be sped up by just reading data and not putting it into a surface object
16:34 < pabs3> libav would be better though
16:34 < dooglus> I've not looked at that module at all so far
16:34 < dooglus> I wonder if some sort of caching would be possible / desirable
16:35 < dooglus> or would libav just solve all these problems?
16:35 < pabs3> caching might be possible
16:36 < pabs3> libav would mean that seeking is sane, it would just skip to the right location in the file
16:36 < pabs3> instead of reading a whole lot of data
16:37 < pabs3> the code to ffplay from ffmpeg would probably help implement a libav importer
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16:38 < dooglus> as I understand it, a certain amount of work is required to jump to a certain point in a .avi movie
16:38 < dooglus> since each frame only contains the incremental differences from the previous frame
16:38 < dooglus> except for the occasional keyframe, which is complete frame
16:40 < pabs3> yeah, similar for other formats. I imagine it is less work to skip from the start to the end than to decode the whole video though
16:40 < pabs3> point is, by using libav we can do the skipping, with ffmpeg to a pipe we can't 
16:41 < pabs3> hmm, maybe if the new frame is too far away in the future, the ffmpeg importer could kill the current ffmpeg and start it at the new time
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18:29 < CIA-60> synfig: dooglus * r2162 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/canvasview.cpp: Update the scrollbar that controls the time ruler along the bottom of the canvas when the start and end time of the movie is modified. Previously it wasn't updating immediately.
18:31 < dooglus> I just went to close down some browser tabs and came back the the 'happy and you know it' pic - http://bp0.blogger.com/_-aa_97QMwyM/RreBYCr3t-I/AAAAAAAAAGs/UpuFj-31Rbc/s1600-h/46b04019063ef.jpg
18:31 < dooglus> what's that in the reflection?
18:33 < genete> Last line says: "If you're happy and you know it, and you really want to show it, If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!"
18:34 < genete> and the reflection is a person making the photo
18:35 < genete> and an oven?
18:35 < genete> an open door?
18:35 < genete> I don't see the joke of the text in the computer though
18:39 < rore> no joke. Or maybe a very weird MS-DOS user joke :)
18:40 < rubikcube> probably the latter
18:40 < dooglus> genete: it's a reference to this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDd0MbOONQ
18:40 < rore> looks like my father playing with the shell "$ bonjour // bash: bonjour: command not found // $ grrr // bash: grrr: command not found" 
18:41 < genete> 03:46 < pixelgeek> sorry, but it made me laugh - http://images.stage6.com/channel_images/refuselife/46b04019063ef.jpg
18:43 < dooglus> I meant the person.  it's a naked woman?  the shape is confusing me.
18:43 < genete> poor woman ...
18:45 < genete> dooglus: take a look to this diagram: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Bend1.png
18:45 < genete> and now look this one: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Bend2.png
18:46 < rore> (looks like a person with a large sweater in front of a computer chair) 
18:46 < genete> what would we obtain if we use the context instead of a gradient object with the closest point algorithm we were studying the other day?
18:51 < dooglus> (i can't see any chair)
18:52 < genete> the person is standing up according to the photo orientation
18:52 < dooglus> genete: what's your question about?  are A and B 2 vertices of a curvegradient?  or what?
18:53 < genete> A and B define a straight line and A' and B' define the start and end of a bline
18:54 < genete> I would like to deform the 2D space according to the difference between AB and A'B'
18:54 < genete> both are animatable but AB is always a straight segment
18:54 < genete> like the warp layer 
18:54 < genete> but with a single bline
18:54 < genete> instead of a four side polygon
18:55 < genete> and using a similar interpolation algorithm than the gradient does
18:55 < genete> curverd one
18:55 < genete> but instead of get the color from the gradient it gets the color from the context
19:04 < genete> back later...
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20:30 < genete2> cool
20:30 < dooglus2> yes
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21:42 < genete> hi dooglus
21:42 < dooglus> hi
21:42 < dooglus> you logged out of xchat?
21:42 < dooglus> yeah
21:42 < genete> still vncing me? yes?
21:42 < dooglus> (does the fact that I answered before you asked give it away?)
21:42 < genete> oh you read my mind and reply before I press enter!
21:43 < genete> he he
21:43 < genete> I saw how you moved the mouse ;-P
21:43 < dooglus> your screen is so much bigger than mine that it fills my screen
21:43 < genete> better now?
21:44 < dooglus> no, I mean your desktop is bigger than mine
21:44 < dooglus> the resolution
21:45 < dooglus> I have a 1024x768 lcd display I think
21:45 < genete> what would happen if now, in the middle of a upgrading the power supply goes?
21:45 < dooglus> let's try it...  do I still have the ability to 'sudo shutdown'?
21:45 < dooglus> :)
21:46 < genete> :(
21:46 < genete> or symply you type: shutdown now!
21:46 < dooglus> I don't think it would be too bad - underneath it all it's still using the apt package manager
21:47 < dooglus> I suspect that it would be quite easy to recover
21:47 < genete> but I would obtain a mixed configuration 50% 8.04 and 50% 8.10
21:47 < genete> because the packages are being unistalled progressively
21:48 < dooglus> I don't know how much of a mess you would be in if it got interrupted part way through
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22:01 < dooglus> genete: still there?
22:02 < dooglus> I lost my connection to your machine, and can't reconnect
22:04 < genete> that's because samba was desconfigured I think
22:04 < genete> dont' worry, well set it up again
22:04 < genete> will*
22:05 < dooglus> not samba
22:05 < dooglus> maybe ssh
22:05 < genete> try again, tell me the vnc command
22:05 < dooglus> I think it's back now
22:05 < genete> although it says that it is less than a minute now
22:06 < genete> can you type at ytalk?
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22:30 < genete> bad news
22:30 < genete> it doesn't recognize the HD
22:31 < genete> it happened with 8.04 too but finnaly, after a while it boots correctly
22:32 < genete> well the HD is recognized because grub is running but after select the root device it is not ready  so cannot run the kernel
22:32 < genete> the message is: 
22:33 < genete> softreset failed (device not ready)
22:34 < genete> dooglus, still there?
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22:47 < dooglus> genete: yes, still here
22:47 < dooglus> so it won't boot at all?
22:49 < genete> not yet
22:50 < genete> as I said the "sofreset failed" was there before 
22:50 < genete> but 8.04 finally found the driver
22:50 < genete> it seems that this version doesn't wait long enough for the driver
22:52 < genete> I searched about the soft reset but there were no so much info there
22:53 < genete> because I think it is a BIOS setup thing
22:53 < genete> I sorted it out enabling ACHI instead of RAID but it seems that now it doesn't work
22:54 < dooglus> I'll see if I can find anything
22:55 < dooglus> what's the version of ubuntu called?
22:56 < genete> 8.10
22:56 < genete> intrepid
22:56 < dooglus> I meant "Intrepid Ibex", right.  that's what people tend to call it
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22:57 < dooglus> any idea what motherboard you have?
22:57 < genete> gigabyte ep45-ds5
22:58 < genete> and a sata HD
22:59 < dooglus> someone says: "The solution is to disable the second sata II controller that is integrated on the motherboard in the system BIOS."
22:59 < dooglus> in bios setup: The solution is to disable the second sata II controller that is integrated on the motherboard in the system BIOS.
22:59 < dooglus> ... go to Integrated Peripherals, ensure that Onboard SATA/IDE Device is disabled (the one on the bottom of the list)
23:00 < dooglus> oh, but he seems to be having problem installing from CD, so I'm not sure that's good advice for you
23:00 < dooglus> might be worth a try though
23:01 < dooglus> someone else: * The SATA controllers must be set to EHCI mode (they will not work in IDE mode)
23:01 < dooglus> * Double-check you have the latest bios update. The P45 chipset with 45nm chips requires an updated stepping support for the 2.6.27 kernel to work properly.
23:02 < dooglus> ( all from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957376 )
23:03 < genete> ok
23:03 < genete> I think I had the correct config before but i'll double check
23:06 < genete> in bios setup: The solution is to disable the second sata II controller that is integrated on the motherboard in the system BIOS.
23:06 < genete> cool!!!!
23:06 < genete> it works
23:08 < genete> try to connect!!!!1
23:08 < dooglus> I'm trying
23:08 < dooglus> nothing though
23:08 < dooglus> I guess it reset the ssh listen port
23:09 < genete> I' have not netwrok
23:09 < dooglus> that'll do it
23:09 < genete> but it has started in graphical mode
23:09 < genete> I'll try to fix it
23:09 < dooglus> maybe you need to rebuild the wireless connection thingy you were using
23:09 < dooglus> wicd?
23:09 < dooglus> that's not standard ubuntu kit is it?
23:10 < genete> it is conected again with wicd :)
23:10 < genete> try
23:10 < dooglus> yup
23:10 < dooglus> it showed a screen of information when I connected
23:10 < dooglus> it used to be silent
23:15 < genete> bye here!
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23:29 < genete> hi, back again and with Ubuntu 8.10 running :)
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23:43 < pixelgeek> Oh man, it's not nearly as much fun when I have to explain the jokes that make me laugh.  
23:43 < pixelgeek> As dooglus pointed out, there's a children's song that goes "If you're happy and you know it..."
23:43 < pixelgeek> Do this, do that, to the other. 
23:44 < pixelgeek> and the chorus is to echo back the last thing sung - clap your hands, stamp your feet, etc.  
23:45 < pixelgeek> I found it amusing that someone was telling the computer to respond with 'syntax error' when the line was itself a syntax error.  
23:45 < pixelgeek> It's like you guys have fun teasing pixelbot.  :)
23:47 < pixelgeek> dooglus: the reflection is the photographer, and not relevant to the humour.  At least, I didn't think it was....  I hope it's not like those people that sell things on ebay with pictures of their naked reflections on the objects...  
23:51 < dooglus> pixelgeek: I got the humour of it - and also wondered what the reflection was
23:51 < dooglus> I'm still not happy with any explanation I've received
23:51 < genete> it just me the one humorless here ;)
23:51 < dooglus> rore suggested there was a computer chair in the image but I can't see it
23:52 < dooglus> genete: it's not real humour - it's geek humour :)
23:52 < genete> humourless even
23:52 < genete> my English knowledge is not good enough for that
23:53 < pixelgeek> humor=american, humour=UK :)
23:53 < dooglus> genete: I remember from years ago a bunch of similar examples
23:53 < dooglus> where people type english at a computer prompt and get a seemingly appropriate but accidental response
23:53 < dooglus> $ got a light?
23:53 < dooglus> no match
23:53 < genete> he he
23:54 < dooglus> (the ? is a wildcard, and some old unix shell responded 'no match' if no file matched)
23:54 < genete> also there are hidden phrases in the kernel under certain combinations of commands
23:54 < genete> I've read somewhere
23:54 < dooglus> $ ar x Santa.Claus
23:54 < dooglus> ar: Santa.Claus does not exist
23:55 < dooglus> $ rm Tooth.Fairy
23:55 < dooglus> rm: Tooth.Fairy nonexistent
23:55 < dooglus> % ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
23:55 < dooglus> Modifier failed.
23:55 < dooglus> etc, etc.
23:55 < dooglus> from http://www.laughs.com.au/Canonical/OperatingSystem.htm
23:55 < pixelgeek> There will be a short pause while /me goes off to read.  
23:56 < genete> those are intentional jokes
23:56 < dooglus> those are real responses from various old UNIX systems
23:56 < genete> I mean that after certain commands (working ones) the program shows you a hidden message
23:57 < dooglus> 'easter eggs' they're known as?
23:57 < genete> something that the programmer didn't documented
23:57 < genete> I think so
23:57 < dooglus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)#Software-based
23:58 < dooglus> there will be a long pause while /me goes to bed.  goodnight all.
23:59 < pixelgeek> 'night dooglus 
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