--- Log opened Sun Sep 28 00:00:32 2008
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01:15 < Skeleton_Eel> hello , any buddy here ? :D
01:17 < genete> hhi Skeleton_Eel 
01:17 < genete> me asleep
01:18 < Skeleton_Eel> :D
01:19 < Skeleton_Eel> wake up :]
01:19 < Skeleton_Eel> ::D
01:21 < genete> have any issue using or installing synfig?
01:24 < Skeleton_Eel> wait sce :)
01:26 < Skeleton_Eel> i have same bug
01:26 < Skeleton_Eel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synfigstudio/+bug/210927
01:29 < Skeleton_Eel> genete : what is ur os ?
01:30 < genete> reading the bug it seems to be related to an old version. Probably it wouldn't be solved becasue we're going to release 0.61.09 soon
01:30 < genete> linux, ubuntu 8.04
01:31 < Skeleton_Eel> i use ubuntu 8.04 too
01:32 < genete> I strongly recommend to follow the build instructions and make your own build using latest svn
01:32 < genete> it is what I do
01:32 < genete> do you know how to use svn?
01:33 < Skeleton_Eel> i try to setup 0.61.08 , but there is some depends on ubuntu 8.10
01:35 < Skeleton_Eel> i think in this idea and someone here offer to me help me to build from source
01:36 < Skeleton_Eel> sorry for my weak english :D
01:36 < genete> no problem I'm weak in english too :)
01:36 < Skeleton_Eel> :)
01:37 < genete> first of all is to remove any package of synfig or synfigstudio you have installed
01:37 < genete> from repositories
01:37 < Skeleton_Eel> and libs ?
01:37 < genete> yes completely
01:37 < Skeleton_Eel> ok
01:38 < genete> you can reinstall them from repository if needed
01:39 < genete> that's becasue during synfigstudio building it calls synfig to render its own icons. So if a bad synfig exists can give an error
01:39 < Skeleton_Eel> ok 
01:39 < Skeleton_Eel> i removed them
01:40 < genete> next is read the http://synfig.org/Build_Instructions from top to bottom.
01:40 < genete> all the needed info is there
01:40 < Skeleton_Eel> ok
01:40 < genete> in one moment they offers you two ways to grab the sources: svn or latest release
01:41 < genete> in two weeks we're going to release 0.61.09 so if you're in a hurry go for svn, otherwise wait two weeks and load the latest release
01:42 < genete> important notes form the build instructions:
01:42 < genete> 1) "So if you are installing in anywhere other than the system pkg-config path, please run "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig" or similar before building or installing anything"
01:42 < genete> 2) "If you are using packages for synfig's dependencies, you want the development packages not the main packages"
01:43 < Skeleton_Eel> ok
01:44 < genete> the rest is a question of install the needed development libraries (the ones listed in Requires -> Debian: and the Optional: ->Debian:)
01:44 < genete> before do the libtoolize, autoreconf, configure, make, sudo make, etc, etc
01:45 < genete> the commands should be done at each etl, synfig-core, synfig-studio folders. There is a small mistake in the synfig instructions
01:46 < genete> it says: "cd synfig-core" it is assuming your folder that holds synfig-core source is called synfig-core
01:46 < genete> in fact you can name it as you want
01:46 < Skeleton_Eel> ok
01:46 < Skeleton_Eel> thx ^_^
01:46 < genete> because the commands should  be called inside that folder
01:47 < genete> please, connect during the morining to IRC and let me see if you need more help. Now I have to sleep :)
01:47 < genete> g, nigh!
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02:09 < dooglus> genete: I just missed you, sorry.
02:10 < dooglus> Skeleton_Eel: do you still need help or is it sorted now?
02:11 < Skeleton_Eel> i try install from svn now
02:11 < dooglus> ok
02:11 < dooglus> how's that going?
02:12 < dooglus> http://synfig.org/Build_Instructions should be all you need
02:12 < Skeleton_Eel> elt installed and try built synfig
02:12 < dooglus> ok
02:12 < Skeleton_Eel> ya , genete told me about this page
02:13 < dooglus> i'm off to bed then.  good luck with it.
02:13 < dooglus> if you have any problems, ask here and I or someone else will answer when we can
02:13 < Skeleton_Eel> thx ^_^
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02:27 < pixelgeek> Skeleton_Eel: I'm not completely familiar with building under Linux, but gives us a shout if you run into problems - I may be able to give you  some help until pabs gets online.  
02:28 < Skeleton_Eel> ok , when i have any problem i will tell u ^_^
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03:47 < Kumeelyun> Hello all.
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03:48 < Kumeelyun> Anybody in here?
03:51 < Skeleton_Eel> yup :D
03:52 < Kumeelyun> Well, it's been a while since I've been in here. Guess it's kind of dead right now.
03:52 < Kumeelyun> <--- formerly known as Zelig
03:53 < Skeleton_Eel> so ? :D
03:55 < Skeleton_Eel> prefer to wait pixelgeek :)
03:55 < Skeleton_Eel> he have more information :)
03:57 < Kumeelyun> Haven't talked to pixelgeek in a while. I created the "Sy n' Fig" animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bySt14ufRmU
04:03 < Skeleton_Eel> nice video ^_^
04:11 < Kumeelyun> Thanks. Spent a month making that.
04:12 < Skeleton_Eel> month ! wow :D
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04:16 < Kumeelyun> About a solid month of time.
04:17 < Kumeelyun> I was learning Synfig at the same time I was making that cartoon.
04:28 < pixelgeek> Hey Zelig
04:29 < pixelgeek> Long time, no see!
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04:29 < pixelgeek> D'oh!
04:32 < Skeleton_Eel> i think i will wait until ubuntu 8.10 :D
04:33 < Skeleton_Eel> etl & synfig installed
04:34 < Skeleton_Eel> but there some problem with synfigstudio
04:34 < Skeleton_Eel> * problems
04:42 < pixelgeek> How far did it get?
04:43 < pixelgeek> libav?
04:43 < pixelgeek> No, that would be core....
04:47 < Skeleton_Eel> i will try again
05:08 < Skeleton_Eel> Installation failed :(
05:08 < Skeleton_Eel> i have to go now :)
05:09 < Skeleton_Eel> and i will come again :)
05:09 < Skeleton_Eel> salam
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06:09 < wall[e]> http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3540/soldierdraftideavk3.jpg
06:17 < wall[e]> (just draft, will get into more details if that's approved)
06:26 < pabs3> morning all
06:27 < pabs3> is that for morevna wall[e] ?
06:28 < wall[e]> pabs3: yes.
06:30 < pabs3> cool
06:30 < wall[e]> thanks :)
06:42  * pabs3 really glad morevna started
06:45 < wall[e]> :)
06:52 < pixelgeek> 'night all
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09:07 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Splendid!
09:08 < wall[e]> hi Zelgadis :) thanks, could be better though and it's just a draft of ideas, so feel free to give comments as much you like and i'll improve them in the final version.
09:09 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I like their look very much! They are evil, but a kind of attractive/ And everyone of them have a character.
09:10 < wall[e]> heh true.. i will make them fade away further.
09:11 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: what do you mean by "fade away"? (Not understood the sentence))
09:12 < wall[e]> more like some background characters.
09:12 < wall[e]> not some people with a lot of role
09:14 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Ah, I agree with you.... but... It's so pity to loose such personalities! ^_^
09:15 < wall[e]> hehe you choose.
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09:27 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I think we will need most common soldiers too - cause in demo they not playing much role. But in the whole movie there are few soldiers who are have some role.
09:30 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: also about boots - they are too rough, but I assume it's just a draft. Maybe it's better to decrease their height. Or.. (idea!) opposite: add a weigth to them and merge with a knee-cap.
09:32 < wall[e]> yeh.. i like merging with knee-cap idea.
09:32 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Could you post your work to the forum? (we have morevnaproject.org down on maintance today)
09:33 < wall[e]> sure
09:33 < wall[e]> on the thread link you sent?
09:33 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=89
09:34 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: yep
09:47 < wall[e]> Zelgadis: i secretly expect this project not to allow using proprietary softwares in the production.
09:47 < Zelgadis> Zelgadis: I strongly expect it. ^___^
09:48 < wall[e]> good :)
09:49 < Zelgadis> Zelgadis: All visual part should be done with open source software only. Though we are using proprietary web services like youtube and myspace.
09:50 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I still not sure about the audio part. but it could be decided after the demo will be produced
09:50 < wall[e]> well, they are fine since even FSF doesn't have a clear idea regarding web services.
09:55 < wall[e]> ok  posted it at the end of the thread
09:56 < wall[e]> I have no idea about audio btw
09:57 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: thanks
09:57 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: It's ok.
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10:02 < wall[e]> does synfig allow sound?
10:02 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: no
10:02 < wall[e]> like supporting it in anyway
10:02 < wall[e]> i see
10:02 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: we are doing editing in blender
10:02 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_get_sound_to_work.3F
10:02 < wall[e]> how's blender's?
10:03 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: But sound production is a lot of work besides just compositing with video.
10:03 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: It's a recording @ studio, mixing, audio fx and lot-lot more
10:04  * wall[e] nods.
10:06 < wall[e]> if Morevna is well-finish, i expect next project to be something more H!
10:06 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Ha-ha! You are free to do your own "build" after we publish the sources. ^_^
10:07 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: It's gonna be released under CC, remember?
10:07 < wall[e]> lol
10:07 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I plan to publish VCS repository soon for project developers
10:08 < wall[e]> cvs?
10:08 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: So anyone could build it's own local render with a single comand
10:08 < wall[e]> what's vcs?
10:08 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: No. Bazaar.
10:08 < pabs3> not git?
10:08 < wall[e]> ah i see.
10:08 < Zelgadis> pabs3: yep
10:08 < wall[e]> why not git?
10:09 < Zelgadis> pabs3, wall[e]: git not allows to do partial checkouts. And it is not planned - I talked to developers.
10:09 < wall[e]> I see.
10:09 < Zelgadis> As we working with binary format, history could become extremely huge
10:10 < pabs3> Zelgadis: what do you mean by "partial checkouts"?
10:10 < Zelgadis> pabs3: Checkout of latest commit, without full history
10:11 < pabs3> you can do shallow clones
10:11 < Zelgadis> pabs3: I know. But you can't commit after that.
10:12 < pabs3> hmm, ok
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10:13 < Zelgadis> pabs3: It was a really disappointing for me. personally I would prefer to have same VCS for synfig dev tree and morevna project
10:13 < wall[e]> can i start putting works on wiki?
10:14 < pabs3> Zelgadis: just tested it, I can commit locally to a shallow clone of a repo
10:14 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Yes. It seems to respond now.
10:15 < wall[e]> heh i forget what vcs means.
10:15 < pabs3> wall[e]: version control system
10:15  * wall[e] nods.
10:16 < wall[e]> i keep forgetting things for these recent years
10:16 < Zelgadis> pabs3: A shallow repository has a number of limitations (you cannot clone or fetch from it, nor push from nor into it), but is adequate if you are only interested in the recent history of a large project with a long history, and would want to send in fixes as patches. (http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-clone.html)
10:16  * wall[e] was an arch user.
10:17 < pabs3> Zelgadis: but you don't put the shallow clone on the server, just on developer's machines
10:20 < Zelgadis> pabs3: You cannot push to remote repository
10:20 < wall[e]> strange..
10:21 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Yep. That disappointed me alot, I couldn't believe it and consulted with git devs.
10:21 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: They said what no one wants to work on this feature.
10:21 < pabs3> Zelgadis: err, I just pushed this from a shallow clone: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=hhm.git;a=commitdiff;h=9530698ea6b68f280951e5607487d7f4356668e3
10:22 < pabs3> I think they are lying
10:22 < pabs3> or misunderstood your questions?
10:22 < wall[e]> free software conspiracy!
10:22 < Zelgadis> ^_^
10:22 < wall[e]> were you talking to Tom Lord?
10:22 < wall[e]> j/k n/m
10:22 < pabs3> heh
10:23 < Zelgadis> pabs3: Which command have you used for shallow clone?
10:23 < pabs3> git clone --depth 1 ....
10:23 < Zelgadis> hmmm
10:23 < Zelgadis> *confused*
10:23 < pabs3> try it locally using multiple repos
10:32 < Zelgadis> So I should continue comparing VCS systems again ^_^
10:40 < wall[e]> haha have fun
10:41 < Zelgadis> If pabs3 is right, then I will need to convert a repository again!!! Grrr... X_X
10:42 < wall[e]> bzr is ok isn't it?
10:44 < pabs3> bzr is slooow
10:45 < wall[e]> only for diffing?
10:46 < wall[e]> and if it is focusing on binary file it wouldn't be much important... though.. yeh.. i hate python.
10:46 < pixelbot> I hate that too!
10:46 < wall[e]> nice bot
10:46 < genete> l love python!
10:46 < Zelgadis> Yes. But git has better submodules support.
10:46 < wall[e]> bad bot.
10:47 < genete> again, l love python!
10:47 < genete> Mmmm
10:47 < wall[e]> lol sorry
10:47 < genete> I love synfig!
10:47 < pixelbot> I love that too!
10:47 < genete> l love python!
10:47 < genete> I love python!
10:47 < pixelbot> I love that too!
10:47 < rore> 'morning funny people!
10:47 < wall[e]> lmao
10:47 < genete> :D
10:47 < genete> morning all! 
10:47 < pabs3> hi rore, genete  :)
10:47 < wall[e]> morning :)
10:48 < genete> please continue with git, bazaar story
10:48 < Zelgadis> ...and if git allows to commit locally on shallow checkout, then it'sa bit better than bzr, cause ability to commit locally is implemented via stacked branches there
10:48  * genete shut up!
10:48 < Zelgadis> hi everyone ^_^
10:50 < genete> hi Zelgadis, pabs3, wall[e], rore, pixelbot =)
10:50 < wall[e]> hi genete 
10:53 < genete> Tuesday is limit day for splash challenge... I can hear from here to your PC's fans turning... while you all are preparing the challenge entries...
10:53 < Zelgadis> genete: Bingo!
10:56 < genete> I've been talking to your Electric power supply company in your area to produce an "accidental" power down... but it was unsuccessful...  
10:56 < Zelgadis> genete: Oh, yeah, our Electric power supply company not listen anyone, even government. ^_^
10:57 < Zelgadis> (secretly they paid by MP)
10:57 < genete> MP?
10:57 < Zelgadis> MorevnaProject, of course. ^_^
10:57 < wall[e]> maphia?
10:57 < genete> ha hahahaah
10:59 < genete> I'll continue struggling with synfig code... wish me luck (good one)
11:00 < Zelgadis> genete: Good luck! Go, genete go!
11:00 < wall[e]> Zelgadis: does krita support wacom tilt?
11:00 < wall[e]> or just pressure
11:01  * Zelgadis experiencing a pain without "Link inverse" function for tangents
11:01 < wall[e]> man i should just plug my wacom
11:01 < wall[e]> too lazy to unwrap it
11:01 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Krita 2.0 beta should support
11:01 < wall[e]> hmmm mine's only 1.6.4
11:01 < wall[e]> .3
11:01 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: 1.6.3 does not
11:02 < wall[e]> too bad
11:02 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I have same
11:02 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Didn't tryed 2.0
11:02  * wall[e] nods.
11:03 < wall[e]> should I concern about colorspace?
11:03 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Developers told me about 2.0! But how could I believe developers from that day?! ^___^
11:03 < wall[e]> like if i should use cinepaint or something.
11:03 < wall[e]> well krita dev is one of the most amazing dev in the world.
11:03 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: I don't really know. We are using RGB for paintings.
11:04 < wall[e]> ok
11:04 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: agreed
11:04 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Synfig have HDRI, but imports images OK. 
11:05 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Still we have different hex color values in GIMP and Synfig for the same color somehow
11:06 < wall[e]> does synfig use lcms?
11:07 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: little cms? no
11:07 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: It seems..
11:08 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Not sure though - I'm not dev.
11:08 < wall[e]> ok
11:08  * rore wishes synfig won't use that default gamma = 2.2, so the hex color could be the same between synfig and other apps 
11:12 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: It worths to unvarp a tablet. ;)
11:12 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Which one do you have?
11:16 < wall[e]> intuos 3 :)
11:16 < Zelgadis> Same
11:17 < Zelgadis> ^_^
11:18 < wall[e]> :)
11:18 < wall[e]> a5
11:18 < Zelgadis> a4
11:18 < wall[e]> huge :)
11:19 < wall[e]> i need to carry one around from place to place and I can't drive.
11:19 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Yes, a5 is handy
11:47 < Zelgadis> guys, let me admit it one more time: synfig is amazing!
11:47 < pabs3> :)
11:48 < genete> \o/  S - Y - N - F - I - G  \o/
11:49 < genete> wall[e]: nosy question: why cannot you drive?
11:51 < genete> dooglus: I've created gradient_template and accumulator templatized classes. Not I start to implement in parallel to Gradient, a GradientTemplate<Color> Value type starting from value.h and cpp files...
11:51 < genete> dooglus: sounds it reasonable?
11:52 < wall[e]> genete: I don't know how
11:52 < wall[e]> and I never want to :}
11:54  * Zelgadis prefers roller skating
11:54 < genete> wall[e]: Mmmm strange those days... how do you usually move? in my region there are so few trains or buses and taxi is expensive.
11:55 < wall[e]> i usually walked until i can find a bus.
11:55 < wall[e]> ~5-6 km
11:56 < wall[e]> that's an hour+ but you can spend time thinking of things while walking..
11:57 < genete> good for your health if weather is good
11:57 < wall[e]> since there's no car so I walk :)
11:57 < wall[e]> sometimes some people will catch me with them.
11:58  * wall[e] used to walk home from an ex-office ~ 30km
11:59 < wall[e]> leaving at 2am and arrive at 9 :P
12:00 < wall[e]> i used to have a bicycle though
12:00 < wall[e]> but i gave it to some of my relation
12:00 < genete> wall[e]: where are you from?
12:00 < wall[e]> genete: .th
12:00 < wall[e]> thai
12:01 < wall[e]> you?
12:01 < genete> Spain
12:01 < genete> _ES
12:01  * wall[e] nods.
12:01 < genete> what about a motrocycle?
12:01 < wall[e]> well i love walking
12:01 < pixelbot> I love that too!
12:02 < genete> h ehe he
12:02 < wall[e]> :)
12:02 < wall[e]> even if it is raining
12:02 < genete> :)
12:02 < wall[e]> i don't have a laptop so it's easier.
12:40 < pabs3> genete: your gradient plan sounds fine
12:41 < genete> pabs3: I have problems with value.cpp, can you help me?
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12:41 < pabs3> I'll try, whats up?
12:43 < genete> let me paste bin a portion of file
12:44 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m2e93aff5
12:44 < genete> when I uncomment the line 84 it complains at make time:
12:45 < genete> value.cpp: In constructor 'synfig::ValueBase::ValueBase(synfig::ValueBase::Type)':
12:45 < genete> value.cpp:84: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'class synfig::GradientTemplate<synfig::Color>'
12:45 < genete> but if you look to the line 85 it works for etl::handle
12:46 < genete> the thing is that etl::handle template uses a pointer to store the type and I use a member 
12:46 < genete> I don't understand why it says "incomplete type"
12:50 < dooglus> genete: you lost these lines?
12:50 < dooglus> #ifndef __SYNFIG_VALUE_H
12:50 < dooglus> #define __SYNFIG_VALUE_H
12:51 < genete> hi dooglus 
12:51 < dooglus> genete: sorry, I'm wrong.
12:51 < genete> me chaking
12:51 < genete> me cheking
12:51 < dooglus> ignore me...
12:53 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m47f5e186  this is the GradientTemplate class definition
12:53 < genete> (why is pastebin duplicating lines?)
12:56 < genete> any idea?
12:56 < genete> (about incomplete type)
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12:57 < pabs3> from google it seems to mean that the class definition couldn't be found
12:58 < pabs3> no ideas apart from that
12:59 < dooglus> genete: pastebin shows everything twice - once to view and once to edit a reply
12:59 < genete> ah! didn't know
13:00 < dooglus> it seems to have double-spaced everything too
13:00 < dooglus> maybe some dos-to-unix conversion gone wrong?
13:00 < genete> maybe
13:01 < dooglus> genete: I see: gradient_template.h:17: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ???GradientPoint??? with no type
13:01 < genete> dooglus: this code compiles fine in a cpp file that includes gradient_template.h 
13:01 < genete> GradientTemplate<Color> *rg=new GradientTemplate<Color>();
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13:02 < genete> 17?
13:02  * pabs3 brb
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13:03 < dooglus> 17 is "	typedef GradientPoint<T> GPoint;
13:03 < dooglus> "
13:03 < genete> ah in the pastebin
13:03 < dooglus> yes
13:03 < dooglus> I copied it from there
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13:04 < Karl_Stiler> moin moin ;) 
13:04 < dooglus> moin Karl
13:04 < genete> but it compiles fine to me
13:04 < genete> morning Karl_Stiler 
13:04 < Zelgadis> hello, Karl_Stiler 
13:05 < genete> dooglus: that's because you need GradientPoint struct definition too
13:05 < genete> I'll paste the whole file
13:05 < dooglus> good plan
13:06 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m532e69d3.
13:06 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m532e69d3
13:06 < genete> sorry for the end dot
13:06 < genete> the second
13:07 < genete> is the right
13:07 < dooglus> this terminal didn't think the . was part of the URL anyway
13:07 < genete> ok
13:07 < dooglus> it builds for me now?
13:07 < genete> should
13:08 < dooglus> you had an error in value.cpp?
13:08 < dooglus> i don't
13:08 < genete> add the line 84 in the previous pastebin to value.cpp
13:08 < dooglus> did you only paste a fragment of value.cpp too?  i see lots of lines gone
13:08 < genete> okay, oka
13:08 < genete> y
13:09 < dooglus> value.cpp: In constructor ???synfig::ValueBase::ValueBase(synfig::ValueBase::Type)???:
13:09 < dooglus> value.cpp:84: error: ???TYPE_COLOR_GRADIENT??? was not declared in this scope
13:09 < dooglus> guess I need a new value.h too
13:09 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m453dcb11 value.cpp
13:10 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m73eaeb2d value.h
13:11 < dooglus> ok: value.cpp: In constructor ???synfig::ValueBase::ValueBase(synfig::ValueBase::Type)???:
13:11 < dooglus> value.cpp:84: error: invalid use of incomplete type ???class synfig::GradientTemplate<synfig::Color>???
13:12 < genete> dooglus: this code compiles fine in a cpp file that includes gradient_template.h >>>>  GradientTemplate<Color> *rg=new GradientTemplate<Color>();
13:13 < genete> so *new GradientTemplate<Color>()* call is fine and returns a valid pointer
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13:14 < dooglus> ok
13:16 < dooglus> genete: remove "class GradientTemplate<Color>;" from value.h
13:16 < genete> :)
13:16 < genete> why?
13:16 < genete> why does it works now?
13:17 < dooglus> who knows!
13:18 < genete> because etl::handle<Canvas> was not there?
13:18 < dooglus> there's no "class xxx<yyy>" anywhere in the code
13:18 < dooglus> other than:
13:18 < dooglus> /home/chris/programs/synfig/ETL/ETL/_smach.h://friend class state<T>;
13:18 < dooglus> and that's commented
13:19 < genete> I have soooo much to learn :)
13:19 < genete> okay, so let's continue spreading GradientTemplate
13:19 < dooglus> i don't understand why that line shouldn't be there, but it looked wrong, and removing it fixes the problem
13:20 < genete> btw, sounds reasonable my plan with GradientTemplate?
13:20 < dooglus> I think so yes
13:21 < genete> back to work then 8)
13:30 < Zelgadis> brb
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13:35 < genete> dooglus: is it possible to modify the description of a commit in git?
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13:42 < genete> pabs you mentioned me a better way to grep only by source files, can you refresh my mind?
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14:15 < dooglus> genete: it's not
14:15 < dooglus> genete: not without deleting it and all the subsequent commits and re-doing everything
14:16 < dooglus> genete: git is 'secure' against changes like that - every revision is identified by an md5 checksum of the current state and the entire history of the repo.
14:17 < dooglus> genete: this prevents attackers from sneaking bad code into old revisions if they compromise your git server
14:20 < dooglus> genete: http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/archives/git/0702/38650.html
14:21 < dooglus> on the other hand: Git allows you to easily fix up the most recent commit you've made on a branch with the --amend option:
14:21 < dooglus> For example the following command will allow you to alter the commit message at the top of current head:
14:21 < dooglus> $ git commit --amend
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14:27 < genete> dooglus: thanks, I'll try next time. 
14:29 < genete> dooglus: I haven't time now (lunch and family visit) but I have other compiling road block when modifying valuenode_gradientcolor.cpp. I'll ask your help tomorrow
14:30 < genete> see you tomorrow.
14:31 < dooglus> you can pastebin it now and I'll look at it
14:33 < genete> okay
14:34 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m76122b40 this is valuenode_gradientcolor.cpp
14:36 < dooglus> it builds here
14:38 < genete> Mmm I have this: 
14:39 < genete> make[3]: Entering directory `/home/carlos/Software/Synfig-git/synfig-core/src/tool'
14:39 < genete> /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++  -DNDEBUG -O2 -W -Wall   -o synfig  synfig-main.o ../synfig/libsynfig.la -lxml++-2.6 -lxml2 -lglibmm-2.4 -lgobject-2.0 -lsigc-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lpthread -lsigc-2.0  -lpthread 
14:39 < genete> g++ -DNDEBUG -O2 -W -Wall -o .libs/synfig synfig-main.o  ../synfig/.libs/libsynfig.so /usr/lib/libxml++-2.6.so /usr/lib/libxml2.so /usr/lib/libglibmm-2.4.so /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so -lpthread  -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/home/carlos/opt/lib
14:39 < genete> ../synfig/.libs/libsynfig.so: undefined reference to `synfig::GradientTemplate<synfig::Color>::GradientTemplate(synfig::Color const&, synfig::Color const&)'
14:39 < genete> ../synfig/.libs/libsynfig.so: undefined reference to `synfig::GradientTemplate<synfig::Color>::operator()(double const&, float) const'
14:39 < genete> :/ I have to go
14:39 < dooglus> ok
14:39 < genete> see you later
14:40 < dooglus> I get the same
14:40 < dooglus> I was only building libsynfig - I didn't try linking the synfig app
14:43 < dooglus> genete: the error is that you declare
14:43 < dooglus>   T operator()(const Real &x, float supersample=0)const;
14:43 < dooglus> in gradient_template.h
14:43 < dooglus> but you don't define it anywhere
14:50 < genete> it is defined in gradient_template.cpp
14:50 < dooglus> I don't have that file :)
14:51 < dooglus> I don't think you want to have it either
14:51 < dooglus> the class should all be in the header I think?
14:51 < dooglus> so that it gets fully instantiated for each T
14:52 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m269c0b11  line 279
14:52 < genete> class implementation in the header??
14:53 < dooglus> when you #include the template header and then mention grad<Color> or something, it doesn't read the .cpp file
14:54 < dooglus> only the .h that you included
14:54 < dooglus> so nothing in the gradient_template.cpp gets used for Color
14:54 < dooglus> so in the header:
14:54 < dooglus>   T operator()(const Real &x, float supersample=0)const { /* code here! */ }
14:55 < dooglus> unless you can find an example of a template that's split over 2 or more files
14:55 < dooglus> I don't think that happens
14:57 < dooglus> right - that error goes away now
14:57 < dooglus> the other error is from this missing code:
14:57 < dooglus> GradientTemplate(const T &t1, const T &t2);
14:58 < genete> I guess it is the same
14:58 < dooglus> exactly
14:58 < dooglus> declaration, but no definition for the method
14:59 < genete> so ALL the implementation of a template must be in the header?
14:59 < dooglus> you should move all the functions from the .cpp into the .h
14:59 < dooglus> I think so, yes
14:59 < genete> and what about supersample_helper?
14:59 < genete> it is not part of the class
15:00 < dooglus> if it isn't in the .h file, it won't be expanded for each type
15:00 < dooglus> if it's a template, it needs to be expanded
15:02 < genete> it means kill gradient_template.cpp completely
15:03 < genete> so should I remove gradient_template.h from Makefile.am too?
15:06 < dooglus> um...
15:06 < dooglus> I think you need to leave the .h file there
15:07 < dooglus> or it won't be installed when you install the synfig lib
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15:07 < dooglus> and so it won't be found by the gtkmm, synfigapp, tool, etc. code
15:07 < dooglus> I think that's the case
15:09  * genete nods
15:09 < genete> okay, I'll do those changes later, lunch time :)
15:23 < rore> this is for gimp, but I wonder how well it applies to synfig :] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.gimp.devel/14329/focus=14330 
15:25 < dooglus> the last posting probably
15:25 < dooglus> ugh
15:25 < dooglus> I thought you said "I wonder who's right"
15:25 < dooglus> you didn't
15:26 < dooglus> synfig doesn't have these 'sample points'
15:30 < Zelgadis> pabs3: how much time do I have before you closing the challenge and posting the poll?
15:49 < Zelgadis> ah, nevermind
16:10 < Zelgadis> bedtime here
16:10 < Zelgadis> bye!
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17:29 < evilkillerfiggin> wall[e]: i liked your soldiers
17:29 < rore> dooglus: no sample points, but a lot of other terms with very vague meanings ;) (ValueBase Nodes, ValueNodes and ValueDesc, anyone? :D)
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19:48 < dooglus> rore: fair enough.  those don't make sense in Elglish either.
19:48 < dooglus> hi I'm an Elg.
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19:57 < wall[e]> evilkillerfiggin: thanks!
20:01 < wall[e]> yes, i'm going to work on character layout for each of them.
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23:28 < genete> dooglus: Accumulator class is also a template, should it be implemented in the .h file too?
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