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00:22 < genete> night all !!!
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00:23 < dooglus> afief: what went on was I tried renaming an exported valuenode on genete's pc and it crashed, just like he said it does...
00:24 < dooglus> afief: I can't get it to crash on my PC, so it's very hard to fix it
00:24 < dooglus> afief: he didn't have time to rebuild with -g, so I still have no idea what's going on.
00:25 < dooglus> but gdb was able to show me that an uncaught exception was being raised, so catching that might help :)
00:25 < afief> dooglus, nice:) hope you catch it
00:25 < afief> dooglus, i'm off to bed now
00:25 < dooglus> goodnight
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01:11 < KiBi> pabs3: BTW, want to try it?
01:11 < pabs3> urandr? yep. I happen to have an external monitor nearby today too :)
01:11 < KiBi> oh!
01:12 < KiBi> pabs3: http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi-guest/trash/urandr_0.1+0ubuntu10-1_all.deb
01:13 < KiBi> A video card of mine isn't supported. The other leads to misparsing of the output, so that I can't even run it! :)
01:13 < KiBi> (I know about the gksu stuff, it is still worked on.)
01:13 < KiBi> s/it/the packaging/
01:24 < pabs3> works good KiBi, apart from gnome-panel bugs. gotta use the monitor for another box, but will play more later
02:58 < pxegeek> 'evening all!
02:59 < pxegeek> Do I get a prize for this render? 
02:59 < pxegeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/piratesbug.jpg
02:59 < pabs3> eew
03:00 < pxegeek> In the words of Rolf Harris - "Can you guess what it is yet?
03:07 < KiBi> pabs3: OK, any feedback welcome, as always.
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03:28 < pxegeek> Hi podsnap!
03:28 < Podsnap> whats up
03:28 < pxegeek> pabs - Windows SVN 1102 posted to www.synfig.com
03:28 < pxegeek> Not a lot...
03:28 < Podsnap> cool cool
03:28 < pxegeek> What brings you here?
03:28 < Podsnap> well
03:28 < Podsnap> looking for a way to figure out how to work synfig
03:29 < pxegeek> Hopefully we can help :)
03:29 < Podsnap> I haven't seen any help files or tutorials or anything
03:29 < Podsnap> well
03:29 < pxegeek> wiki.synfig.com
03:29 < Podsnap> if you can point me to a tutorial on how to do basic things
03:29 < pxegeek> A great place to start!
03:29 < Podsnap> that would be excellent
03:30 < pxegeek> http://wiki.synfig.com/Tutorials
03:30 < Podsnap> thank you pxegeek
03:31 < Podsnap> i really appreciate it
03:31 < pxegeek> No problem - we're a friendly bunch here, so don't hesitate to ask any questions
03:32 < pxegeek> Some of the behaviours of synfig can be a little 'unexpected' so don't hesitate to ask if you think it ought to do something it doesn't (or vice versa)
03:32 < Podsnap> well
03:33 < Podsnap> Basically i just want to try my hand at some simple animation
03:33 < Podsnap> that is pretty much it
03:33 < Podsnap> just to play around for fun
03:33 < Podsnap> by the way
03:33 < Podsnap> what are you running synfig on?
03:33 < Podsnap> what os?
03:35 < dooglus> I use Ubuntu Linux
03:35 < dooglus> pxegeek uses Windows
03:35 < dooglus> ulrik (who's absent without having asked permission) uses Mac OS X Leopard
03:36 < dooglus> so we've got all bases covered between us
03:36 < Podsnap> oh excellent
03:36 < Podsnap> yeah i use ubuntu linux
03:36 < dooglus> what are you using?
03:36 < dooglus> ok
03:36 < dooglus> you'll find it works a bit better on Linux than on Windows generally
03:37 < dooglus> pxegeek: how did you get pirates.sifz to render that badly?
03:37 < Podsnap> cool
03:43 < pxegeek> dooglus - that was how it refreshed.  It doesn't happen often, but I have seen it before.  
03:44 < pxegeek> (so it's not a 1102 bug)
03:50 < dooglus> we should add a new window to studio that pops up when you run it giving a link to the tutorials, with a 'don't show this box again' checkbox
03:50 < pxegeek> dooglus - here's one I caught back in May - http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/plant_woo.JPG
03:50 < pxegeek> And those are the only two times I've seen it happen!
03:51 < pxegeek> About->Help
03:51 < pxegeek> Good place for it IMHO...
03:52 < dooglus> pxegeek: yes.  better than 'sorry, we didn't do this yet' or whatever it says
03:52 < dooglus> pxegeek: does that weird render effect only happen if you resize the window?
03:52 < dooglus> I wonder if it happens when the width is exactly 1 less than a multiple of 64 or something...
03:53 < pabs3> that is a bizarre effect, haven't seen it mysekf
03:53 < dooglus> me neither
03:54 < dooglus> but I don't often resize the windows
03:54 < dooglus> I think the blocks are 128x128 - so maybe there's a 1-in-128 chance that it happens
03:56 < dooglus> pxegeek: I reported it in the tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1824437&group_id=144022&atid=757416
03:57 < dooglus> pxegeek: you're zoomed in on the pirates screenshot
03:57 < pxegeek> I'll try and remember to take a note of it next time it happens - remind me in 6 months time.  
03:57 < dooglus> do you remember whether the bug happened when you zoomed, or when you resized?
03:57 < pxegeek> When I zoomed
03:58 < dooglus> so the display was ok with the window at that size, then you zoomed, and it went wrong?
03:58 < pxegeek> I had the feeling that as soon as I moved the focus to the window it refreshed correctly, but I wouldn't swear to it.
03:58 < dooglus> at the default zoom level, it renders in one shot, not in tiles, so that will always be ok, whatever window size you have
03:59 < dooglus> the window is focussed in the screenshot I think - it has a blue top?
03:59 < pxegeek> I'd actually been zooming in and out, dragging, etc to make sure SVN 1102 was OK to post 
04:00 < pxegeek> I saw it happen - grabbed the screenshot, and as soon as I did something, it refreshed correctly. 
04:00  * pxegeek doesn't remember what the <something> was
04:01 < dooglus> do you have 'run in a single thread' checked?
04:01 < pxegeek> Ummm....  Whatever the default is.  I'm still running it forced to one CPU outside of Synfig
04:02 < dooglus> it's in file>setup>misc
04:02 < dooglus> it remembers the setting, so maybe you changed it once
04:02 < pxegeek> Just checked - it appears to be unchecked.  
04:02 < dooglus> ok
04:02 < pxegeek> But like I said, I'm only running on one CPU anyway.
04:03 < dooglus> yes, but you'll still be using multiple threads on that cpu
04:03 < pxegeek> True.  But not hyperthreaded.  
04:03 < dooglus> ok
04:03 < dooglus> I suspect it's a thread problem.  but I always suspect that, about everything :)
04:04 < pxegeek> It looks like each row of blocks is off by one
04:04 < pxegeek> A classic case of one thread decrementing when another wasn't looking>
04:04 < pxegeek> ?
04:12 < dooglus> I can't really think of any good explanation at the moment
04:12 < dooglus> if it only happened on one row of tiles, then maybe
04:12 < dooglus> but it's consistently shifting each row by one tile
04:12 < dooglus> strange
04:16 < pxegeek> dooglus - take a look at the plant_woo one
04:16 < pxegeek> The whole of the canvas is showing
04:16 < pxegeek> but on the right handside, the tiles don
04:17 < pxegeek> t stay inside the frame
04:17 < pxegeek> It looks like they wrap around to the next row, but if that were the case, then I'd expect to see som black on the right hand side on the lower rows
04:19 < pxegeek> Pirates is quite definately wrapping around though....  hmmmm...
04:20 < pxegeek> Oh, hello.  Firefox wants to install 2.0.0.9.  Wait ti'l I go to bed!
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05:27 < pxegeek> dooglus - I tried looking a little closer at the garbled pirates screen.
05:32 < pxegeek> The canvas is at the default size setting.  
05:32 < pxegeek> The majority of the screen appears to be at a zoom level of around 260-270%, but the horizontal ruler does not reflect that.  
05:43 < pxegeek> Or rather it does, but it appears to be offset - e.g. the edge of the frame should be around 150 not 90.  
05:43 < pxegeek> meh - I'm not making much sense. Time for bed.  
05:44 < pxegeek> 'night everyone.  See you tomorrow. 
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16:09 < genete> Good morning!
16:10 < genete> or evening... ;-)
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18:34 < dooglus> evening genete
18:34 < genete> My sons say hello too :)
18:39 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/cutscene.avi
18:39 < genete> Timming must be fixed but I think it could be a good cur scene...
18:39 < genete> cut*
18:40 < genete> bye!
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20:22 < genete> hi!
20:24 < genete> dooglus: Since you have included the Type column at the Params dialog, the Timetrack rows doesn't match the paramters. Almost in my system the font for the Type column is the standard and it is bigger than the tiny one for the params names...
20:25 < genete> dooglus: Could you match the font for the Type column with the Name and Value columns fonts?
20:30 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/TypeColumn.png
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20:57 < dooglus> genete: the timetrack column never matches the parameters for me, so I didn't notice the change.  I'll look into using a smaller font for the type column.
20:57 < dooglus> genete: I wonder why there is even a separate window for timetrack.  wouldn't it make more sense to just have a 'timetrack' column in the params dialog?
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21:47 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1103 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_draw.cpp: Merged two 'if' statements into one.
21:47 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1104 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: New environment variable: 'SYNFIG_DISABLE_NEW_CANVAS_EDIT_PROPERTIES'. When set, don't pop up the canvas properties dialog when creating a new document.
22:02 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1105 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_draw.cpp: Tidying.
22:02 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1106 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/synfigapp/blineconvert.cpp: Quote the "Working Draft, Standard for Programming Language C++" on a point I wasn't sure about.
22:02 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1107 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_draw.cpp: Simplify the block structure without changing the behaviour.
22:02 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1108 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/synfigapp/value_desc.h: Added a \todo note questioning a part of the code.
22:02 < CIA-34> synfig: dooglus * r1109 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/layertree.cpp: Make the font size in the param dialog's 'type' column the same as the other columns.
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