--- Log opened Mon Oct 29 00:00:03 2007
--- Day changed Mon Oct 29 2007
00:00 < genete> you're up to date! :)
00:00 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/syNfig-pdf.png
00:00 < pabs3> the gif one you rendered looks good
00:00 < ulrik> how's spain today? warm and beautiful
00:00 < genete> yeah!
00:00 < genete> Did you know that I'm going to visit Praghe?
00:00 < genete> next month
00:01 < genete> I would like to meet dooglus ... =)
00:01 < ulrik> yes i read the logs
00:01 < ulrik> that would be nice....say hallo from me then....:)
00:01 < pabs3> cool :)
00:01 < genete> for sure!
00:01 < pabs3> buy him a beer or three from all of us!
00:02 < ulrik> yeah, he need some i think
00:02 < genete> hot beer there I believe
00:02 < CIA-33> synfig: dooglus * r997 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/mod_magickpp/trgt_magickpp.cpp: Don't say "writing 1 images".
00:02 < dooglus> no, no
00:02 < dooglus> it's still cold here
00:02 < dooglus> you're thinking of the UK I guess
00:02 < genete> someone told me that ther the beer was hot
00:03 < genete> a friend of mine.
00:03 < dooglus> they sell hot wine on market stalls in the winter
00:03 < dooglus> but I never heard of hot beer
00:03 < genete> I'll bring with me a photo camera so you'll see real dooglus's face... hehe
00:04 < genete> ...and mine =)
00:04 < ulrik> genete: yeah do that...it would be nice to see the face i have had in my house every now and then...hehe
00:04 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/syNfig2-pdf.png
00:05 < genete> pabs3: you can put it on the wiki: "Synfig team meeting at Praghe, November 6th"
00:05 < pabs3> :)
00:06 < pabs3> on the website!
00:06 < genete> he he
00:06 < genete> Really it is a good thing have someone known at a foreing country...
00:07 < genete> dooglus: Cool that substracted pdf!!!
00:07 < dooglus> genete: isn't it?  looks like preliminary sketches or something
00:08 < genete> dooglus: it is quite cool. Looks like a Disney flip book of transparencies
00:10 < genete> dooglus: I would like that tomorrow you help me to install Magick libraries on my linux box without need to upgrade to Gusty... Can you?
00:10 < pabs3> genete: have you organised a time/place to meet dooglus? 
00:11 < dooglus> genete: I think so
00:11 < genete> the visit to Praghe will be next 6,7,8 and 9 of december
00:11 < dooglus> genete: november or december?
00:11 < genete> december
00:11 < genete> in one month
00:11 < dooglus> ok
00:12 < pabs3> I recon announce it on the site, you never know, some disney person might turn up :)
00:12 < genete> I would like to spend some time to meet him and shake hands almost
00:13 < genete> some beers and some laughts
00:13 < genete> I'll go with my girlfriend
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00:14 < genete> dooglus: are you planning to be outside of the city on that days?
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00:18 < dooglus> genete: I wouldn't have thought so
00:19 < genete> I'll send you by email the details of my trip to see what can we do. I haven't got the fly tickets yet, only the booking. 
00:23 < genete> go to bed now... See you!
00:23 < dooglus> ok
00:23 < dooglus> flight prices are tricky to predict
00:23 < dooglus> sometimes you get a good deal if you wait, other times the price goes up
00:23 < dooglus> goodnight
00:25 < genete> Well, in my case the main issue is the booking. I have so few free time to spend on vacations. So I have prepared the trip with some anticipation regardless to the flight price.
00:26 < genete> I've contracted all with a travel company and everything is in one package. 
00:27 < genete> What now I need to do is to buy some winter clothes... We're not prepared for -10?C
00:28 < genete> See you!
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01:17 < pxegeek> "ulrik>	pxegeek: nice dolphin, is it your daughters creation?"
01:17 < pxegeek> Ulrik - yes, with a little help from dad!
01:17 < pabs3> eep, -10C!
01:18 < ZanQdo> hey check out what I just got
01:18 < ZanQdo> http://www.zanqdo.com/tmp/i_Praxinoscope.jpg
01:18 < pxegeek> She tells great long stories about this small plastic toy - I thought it might be fun to try and visualize them
01:18 < ZanQdo> http://www.zanqdo.com/tmp/Praxinoscope.mov
01:18 < pabs3> quite a difference from where I'll be going - 40C
01:19 < pxegeek> Sydney?
01:20 < pabs3> Alice Springs
01:20 < pabs3> I finish work at the end of the week :D
01:20 < pxegeek> Sounds nice (if a little toasty)
01:21 < pxegeek> ZanQdo - ask dooglus nicely and he'll have synfig print out the relevant PDF for your new toy
01:21 < ZanQdo> pxegeek: ha ha :)
01:37 < pabs3> KiBi: any reply from the ia64 buildd maintainer?
01:38  * pabs3 thinking it might be time to ask -release
02:14 < KiBi> pabs3: I'm watching fontconfig.
02:14 < KiBi> It's needs-build, still. And that implies fontconfig isn't installable at the moment, which made the give-back fail.
02:14 < pabs3> right, missed that bit
02:15 < KiBi> I'm on build failures, don't worry. :-)
02:16 < pabs3> cool :)
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02:30 < dooglus> what does the build process do if fontconfig isn't available?  I would hope it would just skip building the modules that depend on it
02:31 < dooglus> (which is just the 'simple text' thing, right?)
02:31 < KiBi> dooglus: libfontconfig-dev (or so) is listed as Build-Depends.
02:31 < KiBi> On that buildd, it is not available, probably because the -dev is arch: all, and the depended-upon library is arch: any.
02:31 < KiBi> Which means that the -dev depends on an exact version of the lib, which is not yet built.
02:32 < KiBi> That makes the -dev uninstallable, and makes the build fails, since they are no alternative listed.
02:33 < KiBi> An appropriate action for the buildd maintainer would be to set a "Dep-Wait" on fontconfig >> an_appropriate_version so that synfig gets requeued when that appropriate_version of fontconfig becomes available.
02:33 < KiBi> If nothing is done, it'll stay in Maybe-Failed state.
02:34 < KiBi> Depending on lots of stuff, that Dep-Wait could be added automatically. That depends on the buildd, and on the maintainer, I guess.
02:35 < dooglus> KiBi: ok.  would it make sense to remove libfontconfig-dev from the build-depends, since we can (or will be able to) build without it?
02:35 < KiBi> I don't think so. That's just a temporary error.
02:36 < KiBi> Usually, that is solved within a few days. But lamont (the buildd maintainer) is a bit busy these days, and needs to be poked.
02:36 < pabs3> dooglus: if we do that, then Debian's synfig won't have text layer support
02:37 < KiBi> dooglus: I mean: we shouldn't change the build dependencies to get rid of a temporary error. If it were something like a build-depends on alsa, that could be made conditional, like: this Build-Depends only concerns linux archs, and neither kfreebsd-* or hurd.
02:38 < KiBi> (Or anything strongly tied to some architectures.)
02:39 < dooglus> pabs3: I see.  I was thinking what would happen was that the -dev lib would be used if available, and skipped if not
02:39 < dooglus> pabs3: are you reading the 'my circle is invisible' thread on synfig-user?
02:39 < pabs3> just skimming
02:40 < dooglus> pabs3: I'm running out of ideas...  what can make a circle invisible?  I tried 'you painted it an invisible color' and 'you've made it too small to see' - what else can it be?
02:40 < pabs3> get em to save the .sif and look for something weird maybe
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02:45 < pabs3> hmm, bug; for a zero radius circle, the top duck is the center one, instead of the radius one, preventing you from increasing the radius using just the ducks
02:49 < dooglus> only if you select the center duck I think
02:49 < dooglus> oh, I see
02:50 < dooglus> sometimes the center is on top. sometimes not.
02:50 < dooglus> I'm scared of duckmatic.cpp though :(
02:51 < pabs3> o<
02:51 < KiBi> >o-matic
02:51 < pabs3> :)
02:53 < KiBi> Oh, package search added to backports.org
02:54 < KiBi> And Florian Ernst still not added, and blender not uploaded there...
02:54  * KiBi sighs.
02:59  * KiBi also checks -newmaint and decides it's time for a tiny car-ride.
02:59 < pabs3> dooglus: that is one bizarro problem
02:59 < KiBi> bizarro<
03:02 < pabs3> lol-o<-matic
03:03 < KiBi> I can has a lol-o<-matic?
03:04 < pabs3> :)
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04:24  * KiBi waves back.
04:25  * dooglus waves forwards.
04:26 < dooglus> the synfig-user thread seems to have concluded - rebuilding from svn fixed the problem.  very strange.
04:28 < KiBi> pabs3: fontconfig: ia64 2.4.91-1 Maybe-Successful 02:17
04:29 < KiBi> I'll wait until it is uploaded & installed to poke lamont.
04:29 < pabs3> :D
04:33  * KiBi gets a bit sleepy.
04:33 < KiBi> several bits, actually.
04:34 < KiBi> See you later.
04:34 < pabs3> later :)
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05:20  * KiBi wonders how idiotic "his" president may be. Or acting. Or both.
05:23  * pabs3 wonders if KiBi is sleep-typing!
05:24 < KiBi> pabs3: Just came across news.google.fr and his CBS stuff.
05:25 < KiBi> Dunno how viewable it is: http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/usa/video/x3btla_sarkozy-interview-qui-fait-scandale_news
05:25 < KiBi> Google for Sarkozy+cbs+interview otherwise.
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11:22 < ulrik> hi!
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14:59 < Ceox> can you edit curves in the curves editor?
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16:19 < KiBi> pabs/pabs3: Give-back asked on #-release
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16:19 < genete> Hi guys!
16:20 < genete> (and girls too... is there any?)
16:25 < KiBi> 16:25:04 [ lamont] done
16:25 < KiBi> genete: Yeah
16:26 < genete> Hi KiBi !
16:27 < KiBi> Hello genete. :)
16:28 < genete> Where are you from KiBi ?
16:32 < KiBi> genete: Dijon, France.
16:33 < genete> nice!
16:34 < genete> So that's the reason you did comment Sarzozy's interview scandale, not?
16:34 < genete> Sarkozy*
16:44 < KiBi> yeah :)
16:44 < genete> Are you working on any new animation?
16:44 < KiBi> First, I didn't make any animation yet. :)
16:45 < KiBi> Second, I've got a bit of an idea, but I've to learn about synfig first. :)
16:46 < genete> Oh sorry I confused you with other...
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16:48  * genete begs sorry to Zelig...
16:49 < genete> I'm a disaster with names...
16:53 < dooglus> hi all
16:54 < genete> hi dooglus !
16:54 < dooglus> genete: rore is our resident female
16:54 < genete> good to know...
16:54 < dooglus> genete: when KiBi said "Yeah" to your question, he meant "yeah, there are", not "yeah, I am"
16:54 < genete> I see
16:55 < dooglus> genete: I've been working on your exported-canvas crash
16:55 < dooglus> genete: very nicely done finding a way to repeat it
16:56 < genete> good new. So did you isolate it?
16:56 < dooglus> I'm getting there
16:57 < genete> dooglus: have you ever readed any of my posts at AS forum regarding to 3D stuff?
16:57 < genete> read*
17:00 < dooglus> no, I've never seen the AS forum
17:00 < dooglus> I've only used AS for an hour or two
17:01 < genete> I created an script that allow move points is a psuedo 3D world.
17:01 < genete> I'm translating it to synfig using convert and export.
17:01 < genete> But only for the origin of the layers.
17:04 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/3DrigTutorial/videos/cube.htm it is a little boring but is illustrative...
17:04 < genete> I want to move like in 3D only the center of the layers not each vertex
17:04 < dooglus> genete: I saw a youtube video from you with rotating 3d axes
17:05 < dooglus> (is that the plural of axis?  looks like something you would use to chop wood)
17:05 < genete> dooglus: yes, it was for didactical proposes only
17:05 < genete> axises?
17:06 < genete> axes is the prular of axis (from wordreference.com)
17:06 < dooglus> ax?is (?k's?s) pronunciation
17:06 < dooglus> n., pl. ax?es (?k's?z').
17:07 < genete> plural*
17:13 < genete> dooglus: I really need to have rename value node available... 
17:14 < genete> dooglus: If I have a parameter already converted to a cool conversion (complicated math combination of lots of variables) and want to create a copy of it with other name, can it be possible?
17:19 < dooglus> why would you want a copy?
17:19 < dooglus> it would be the same as the thing you copied...
17:19 < genete> Well imagine that I have this:
17:19 < genete> a=2.3*b+c-45*g
17:19 < genete> and want this:
17:20 < genete> a=2.3*b+c-45*f
17:20 < genete> the formula is  mainly the same just unexport 'g' and export to 'f' but cannot export 'a' again
17:21 < genete> The export option doesn't exist if the paramter is already exported.
17:21 < genete> I want to keep first a like a1 and second a like a2 and have
17:21 < dooglus> I See
17:21 < genete> a1=2.3*b+c-45*g
17:21 < genete> a2=2.3*b+c-45*f
17:22 < genete> but I cannot 
17:23 < genete> I want to create the complex convert/export once and repeat it with small changes to cretain variables.
17:23 < dooglus> so you want something like a 'deep copy'?
17:23 < genete> can you explain it better? I don't understand deep copy
17:24 < dooglus> you want the copy to be made completely of new nodes
17:24 < dooglus> a new 2.3, a new '*', etc.
17:24 < dooglus> so if you change the 2.3 in one, it doesn't change in the other
17:24 < genete> no
17:25 < genete> I want that b=b in both formulaes
17:25 < genete> I only want to change g by f
17:26 < genete> in fact g is a paramter and b and c are the main variables that moves a1 and a2
17:26 < genete> f is also a paramter but with different value
17:26 < dooglus> in fact, b, c and g are all just valuenodes
17:26 < dooglus> any 'copy' operation wouldn't know the difference between them
17:28 < genete> I don't want a copy operation I want that I could export the same value node two times
17:28 < genete> Imagine this:
17:28 < genete> a=2.3*b+c-45*g
17:28 < genete> then export 'a' to a1
17:28 < genete> ok
17:28 < genete> then I unexport 'g'
17:28 < genete> and export the same valuenode to 'f'
17:29 < dooglus> both a and a1 change
17:29 < genete> I want to export again a to a2 but I cannot
17:29 < dooglus> but even if you could, a1 and a2 would refer to exactly the same thing
17:30 < dooglus> unexporting 'g' and exporting it as 'f' would mean that a1/a2 now refers to something with 'f' in it not 'g'
17:30 < genete> Yes you're right
17:30 < genete> start again:
17:30 < genete> a=2.3*b+c-45*g
17:31 < genete> export 'a' to a1
17:31 < genete> then unexport a
17:31 < genete> a1 remains untouched
17:32 < genete> I want 'a' to be exported like a1 but with other name and valuenodes. is that possible?
17:32 < genete> I can do it manually converting a again to the same types 
17:32 < genete> and giving different valuenodes to the ones I want and the same to the rest
17:32 < genete> but it is tedious
17:33 < genete> I want to have a set of a1, a2, a3, ... an with similar conversion values and link the center of the layers to the one I want for each design
17:34 < genete> 'a1, a2, ... an' have the same structure but some valuenodes are different.
17:34 < genete> only a few
17:35 < genete> also most of the valuenodes of a1, a2, etc. are the same.
17:36 < genete> Maybe a deep copy could be valid.
17:36 < genete> I would like to have a "duplicate valuenode" button...
17:36 < genete> Then I would connect to it and change some of the internal valuenodes.
17:37 < genete> And also could connect the common internal value nodes to the others
17:37 < genete> dooglus: can be a deep copy possible?
17:43 < dooglus> I expect so
17:43 < dooglus> 'deep' as in every node gets copied, all the way down
17:44 < dooglus> so you have 2 different '*' nodes for the '2.3*b' part
17:44 < genete> and what about the names of the valuenodes copies?
17:45 < dooglus> good question
17:45 < dooglus> (copy 1), (copy 2), etc...
17:45 < dooglus> appended to the end of their names?
17:45 < dooglus> like nautilus does?
17:45 < genete> maybe
17:45 < genete> "copy of..."
17:46 < genete> like Gimp does
17:46 < dooglus> bear in mind that the children dialog is alphabetically sorted when you load a document
17:46 < dooglus> do you want all the copies together?
17:46 < genete> Yes it is annoying :(
17:47 < genete> Mmmm lots of things on one shot....
17:47 < dooglus> did you make a feature request about saving and keeping the child dialog structure and order?
17:47 < genete> I didn't
17:47 < genete> Could I?
17:47 < genete> :)
17:48 < genete> You can always say : "not a priority"
17:48 < genete> ;-)
17:51 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/Other/jirafa/jirafa12.mov
18:03 < dooglus> nice :)
18:03 < dooglus> is that from synfig?
18:04 < genete> not :)
18:04 < dooglus> which app made it?
18:04 < genete> that was done with Anime Studio and a pseudo 3D pluging done  by me (lua script)
18:05 < dooglus> ok
18:05 < genete> It is not very useful becasue ther is no way to make rounded bodies easily.
18:05 < genete> It is good for sharp objects
18:06 < genete> Also I made a sort shapes by true distance based on its fake Z depth 
18:06 < genete> What I want to translate to synfig is the same but only for centers of layers. 
18:07 < genete> I would like to have an easy way to place parts of a face (ears, eyes, nose, mouth, etc.) in pseudo 3D riggid skeleton 
18:08 < genete> only the centers and the morphing would be done by hand and using reusable keyframes.
18:08 < genete> ... get the idea?
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18:26 < KiBi> pabs3: Asking lamont why the build failed again...
18:26 < KiBi> rore: Hi resident female.
18:26 < KiBi> (Resident Evil was on TV last night. :p)
18:27 < genete> hi rore! Or should I say Aurore? :)
18:27 < KiBi> ? rore!
18:29 < rore> genete: A-oo-rora - or whatever the spanish prononciation is :p 
18:30 < genete> Aurora is a beautiful spanish name :)
18:31 < genete> It comes form Aureo what comes form Oro (gold). "Aurora looks like gold"
18:31 < rore> that's almost the only word I remember from my spanish classes :) But I rather like the prononciation. In French Aurore sounds to close to horror :]
18:32 < genete> The only words I know in french are "Eau" and "toillette" are they correct?
18:33 < rore> Toilette with 1 L - the other is ok :) 
18:33 < KiBi> :-)
18:34 < rore> "el gato esta en la ventana" "qu? calor hoy en Madrid" ... my spanish classes were so useful :D 
18:34 < KiBi> Una cervesa por favor
18:34 < rore> ahahahah :D
18:34 < KiBi> But "Guinness" will do.
18:34 < KiBi> Or Murphy's :)
18:34 < rore> KiBi: great, you know just enough :D
18:35 < genete> he he 
18:35 < genete> "ceveza" not cervesa
18:35 < KiBi> I can point the name I want, on the card, if needed. :]
18:35 < genete> cervesa is allowed to spanish southern people like me...
18:35 < KiBi> Una brunette
18:36 < KiBi> *a
18:36 < KiBi> (I'm a stout-fanboy)
18:38  * genete will be out an hour. 
18:39  * genete is going to buy a gift to my son. Next saturday will be him name day (Carlos)
18:39  * genete is away: Estoy ocupado
18:41 < KiBi> heh :-)
18:41 < rore> buenos shopping (what? don't you speak spanglish? :D)
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20:57 < KiBi> dooglus: Are you still using kitty2 to develop?
20:57 < KiBi> I'm wondering whether 256 MB would be sufficient
20:57 < KiBi> (Speaking about RAM)
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21:05 < dooglus> KiBi: I've not been using it much at all recently
21:06 < dooglus> KiBi: I found out what was causing my laptop drives to die, and fixed it
21:06 < KiBi> OK. What was it, BTW?
21:06 < KiBi> I can let it run w/ a small amount of RAM, so that you can still use gitweb, if you want.
21:09 < KiBi> dooglus: ^
21:12 < dooglus> KiBi: it was the APM on the disks
21:12 < KiBi> argh, I see
21:12 < dooglus> parking the heads every 5 seconds, wearing out the mechanism
21:13 < dooglus> KiBi: I haven't been using gitweb much either really.
21:13 < dooglus> KiBi: it's a good way of sharing your changes, but there's nobody to share them with :)
21:14 < KiBi> dooglus: OK, I'll let it run anyway for some time, just poke me if you either need more RAM since you're using this box again, or so that I free it (put it to sleep, not delete everything). Fine with you?
21:15 < dooglus> sure
21:24 < KiBi> OK, restarting with 128MB. Don't hesitate to poke me as needed.
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21:36 < MangoFusion> who was it in here that used a mac?
22:00 < dooglus> MangoFusion: it's ulrik
22:07 < MangoFusion> ah right
22:08 < MangoFusion> might try finishing off that osx howto so perhaps we'll be able to make an .app bundle
22:09 < MangoFusion> did you figure out that problem the other day with imagemagick?
22:11 -!- ulrik [n=ulrikbod@81-231-118-204-no53.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #synfig
22:11 < ulrik> hi!
22:14 < MangoFusion> hey ulrik
22:15 < MangoFusion> upgraded to leopard yet?
22:15 < ulrik> Hi Mangofusion!
22:15 < ulrik> Yes i updated my macbook intel machine
22:16 < MangoFusion> neat
22:16 < MangoFusion> any problems?
22:16 < ulrik> i have not yet worked at all with the new system, but i hope it will work smooth as they say in articles
22:17 < ulrik> no problems yet
22:17 < MangoFusion> i contemplated switching over to linux after tiger, but i'm just having too many problems so i'm just going to bite the bullet and upgrade to leopard
22:17 < ulrik> i can run x11 with synfig that is what i have tried so far
22:17 < ulrik> ohh, i see
22:17 < MangoFusion> maybe its an incentive for me to make some money by making some ridiculously simple mac app and charge $$ for it, hehe
22:18 < MangoFusion> :)
22:18 < ulrik> :) 
22:18 < ulrik> yeah, why not
22:19 < MangoFusion> just need to figure out what's missing, haha
22:19 < ulrik> i'm just reading an article how to fit leopard on my old ppc g4, my working horse
22:19 < MangoFusion> the only g4 i have is the next-to-last gen mac mini
22:19 < ulrik> i see
22:20 < ulrik> you have an intel machine for the leoprad update?
22:20 < ulrik> leopard
22:20 < MangoFusion> i tried using it for a local email server once, but there wasn't quite enough memory to keep it running so now its just a ppc testing machine
22:20 < MangoFusion> yeah my macbook
22:20 < MangoFusion> still going strong
22:21 < ulrik> yes it's a good machine
22:21 < MangoFusion> first or second gen?
22:21 < ulrik> did you use the macbook for linux as well?
22:21 < ulrik> I have the first gen
22:21 < MangoFusion> i have been doing these past few weeks via the bootcamp stuff
22:22 < MangoFusion> but i just got so frustrated with it as most of the good stuff which worked on OS X didn't work on Linux (unless i spent most of my time trying to fix it)
22:22 < ulrik> that's a pity, i understand
22:22 < MangoFusion> so i think i shall confine my linux desktop experience to a vm in the future, haha
22:22 < MangoFusion> first gen? mine is too
22:23 < ulrik> i rember i had some trouble with it in the beginning, then they released a firmware update and since then it's rolling nice
22:24 < MangoFusion> only 2 things wrong with it were that the battery died and i got the infamous staining. all fixed now though
22:24 < MangoFusion> unfortunately if anything else goes wrong with it i'll have to fork out for a new one
22:24 < MangoFusion> :(
22:24 < ulrik> uhh, the battery as well, mine is has been ok
22:24 < MangoFusion> yeah firmware improved mine i think. forgot what the issue was
22:25 < MangoFusion> with regards to my battery i was trying to calibrate it and it just didn't have enough juice left in to start charging again.
22:25 < ulrik> ok, have you changed it? what do you have to pay for a new?
22:26 < ulrik> battery i mean
22:26 < MangoFusion> it was still in warranty so they exchanged it with a new one
22:26 < ulrik> puhh :) 
22:27 < ulrik> my old ibook's battery was dead and they wanted me to pay 'round 200 dollars...that's tooo...
22:27 < ulrik> much
22:28 < MangoFusion> i read an article once in which someone opened up one of those batteries and replaced the cells in them
22:28 < MangoFusion> interesting read
22:28 < MangoFusion> though not something i'd try myself
22:28 < ulrik> hmm...seems like a good business :) 
22:29 < ulrik> now when apple sell a lot of computers
22:34 < MangoFusion> i sometimes wonder if apple have a kill switch in hardware so when the next revision arrives it starts to break
22:34 < MangoFusion> same for the os too, except it gets slower
22:34 < MangoFusion> haha
22:38 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.41.151.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig
22:39 < genete> hi!
22:39 < MangoFusion> hello fellow brother of synfig
22:39 < MangoFusion> or sister
22:39 < genete> brother
22:40 < MangoFusion> maybe i should just say associate
22:40 < MangoFusion> :)
22:40 < genete> Hi MangoFusion! 
22:40 < genete> What's up?
22:42 < KiBi> o< genete
22:42 < KiBi> MangoFusion: >o
22:42 < genete> hi KiBi!
22:43 < genete> KiBi: I'm a newbie, but what means >o and o<?
22:43 < genete> is it an emoticon?
22:43 < KiBi> coin :)
22:43 < KiBi> Yeah, a small \_o< (a duck).
22:43 < genete> coin?
22:43 < genete> ha ha
22:43 < genete> I see the duck now
22:43 < KiBi> We (some others) use it as a greater :)
22:43 < genete> cuac!
22:44 < genete> funny!
22:44 < KiBi> You got it, yeah :p
22:44 < KiBi> ~=(^_^)=~ mawwwwwwww too
22:44 < genete> he he
22:44 < MangoFusion> here's a nice theme for a synfig movie:
22:44 < MangoFusion> ducks
22:44 < KiBi> Yeah!?!
22:45 < genete> =)
22:45 < MangoFusion> ugly slow duckling turns into a big lovely swan
22:46 < MangoFusion> an original idea, surely?
22:46 < MangoFusion> :P
22:47 < genete> I knew a lot of emoticons that I don't remember now...
22:47 < genete> dooglus: thanks for your patience and for correct my typos
22:52 < genete> ?
22:55 < genete> Does anyone know if exists a image type that supports negative alpha or grater than 100%?
23:08 < MangoFusion> i think they all use an 8-bit value for alpha
23:08 < MangoFusion> unless that HDR / OpenEXR stuff uses floating point
23:09 < MangoFusion> so probably not
23:09 < genete> MangoFusion: Did you know that you can set alpha to 200 in synfig?
23:09 < MangoFusion> in any case, i think the effects of negative or greater alpha factors better into a compositing operation
23:09 < genete> It would produce a negative film like image for the layers that are under it
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23:10 < genete> with the standard composite method.
23:10 < MangoFusion> sadly not, i've not really played about messing with alpha in synfig so i wouldn't know :(
23:10 < genete> It is very interesting
23:19 < pabs3> unfortunately the openexr output doesn't seem to support alpha
23:21 < pabs3> the png layer does though
23:21 < pabs3> png output I mean
23:21 < genete> yes png supports transparency but I was wondering if it could allow negative alpha values
23:22 < pabs3> I expect not, since png is only 8-bit in the current synfig implementation
23:22 < genete> http://wiki.synfig.com/Colors_Dialog 
23:23 < pabs3> I think I read somewhere png supports 16bit samples, synfig doesn't output that yet though
23:23 < genete> They support it because you can produce it with cinelerra for example
23:24 < genete> or with ufraw (an utility to read RAW camera digital photos for linux)
23:24 < genete> ufraw can write 16-bit png and tiffs also.
23:26 < pabs3> I think once we add support for parameters to the output types, allowing 16-bit png/mng output will be easy
23:33 < genete> pabs3: I've loaded a sifz file instead of an image into the wiki. How can I delete the page?
23:34 < genete> pabs3: Also how can I upload a sifz file properly into the wiki?
23:35 < pabs3> looks like you did upload it properly
23:36 < genete> pabs3: but how can insert it into a page?
23:36 < pabs3> added you to sysops/bureaucrats so you can delete pages & files
23:36 < pabs3> Image:Something.sifz I think
23:36 < pabs3> take a look at the existing pages that link to sifz files
23:37 < pabs3> ah, here is one: [[Media:Follow-bline.sifz|follow-bline.sifz]]
23:37 < genete> ok thanks
23:37 < pabs3> or [[Media:Polygons.sifz|source .sif file]]
23:37 < genete> thankyou very much
23:37 < genete> now it works
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23:38 < genete> http://wiki.synfig.com/Colors_Dialog
23:39 < genete> I think is more or less finished. Cool thing the color dialog. Set values beyond limits is funny...
23:43 < genete> pabs3: What means the red "!" in the Recent Changes list? I can see it now and not before. It is related to sysop/bureaucrats?
23:44 < dooglus> genete: the patience it takes to correct your wiki pages is nothing compared to the patience it takes to fix the bugs you report!  ;)
23:44 < pabs3> genete: I really don't know, would have to read the mediawiki source code to find out
23:44 < genete> ^-^
23:45 < dooglus> genete: the HTML source for that red '!' says:
23:45 < dooglus> <span class="unpatrolled">!</span>
23:46 < dooglus> so I guess it means something about the change being 'unpatrolled' - whatever that means
23:46 < genete> Me an spammer! Ouch! you discovered me!!! Dang!
23:46 < genete> ;-)
23:46 < dooglus> genete: maybe it means someone changed a page that no administrator is 'watching'?
23:47 < genete> The red "!" only appears to my changes 
23:47 < dooglus> genete: not any more...
23:47 < genete> Ah now I understand
23:48 < dooglus> genete: changes you made since becoming an admin aren't flagged
23:48 < genete> yes that's 
23:48 < pabs3> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Recentchangestext
23:48 < dooglus> genete: I guess it's a quick way for admins to find changes made by 'others'
23:48 < genete> good to know
23:48 < genete> dooglus: I have finished the http://wiki.synfig.com/Colors_Dialog
23:48 < genete> but you 
23:49 < genete> have other called Color Editor Dialog or something like that
23:49 < pabs3> aha http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits
23:50 < dooglus> ""autopatrol" right, assigned only to sysops by default"
23:50 < dooglus> genete: I prefer my name, but your page
23:51 < genete> Historically it was called Colors DIalog due that the name of the window is "Colors"
23:51 < genete> in synfig I mean
23:51 < dooglus> but it's not a regular dockable dialog
23:52 < dooglus> it's like the Gradient Editor Dialog in that respect
23:52 < genete> I know, I know. Color Editor Dialog is best name
23:52 < dooglus> I removed my page, and moved yours
23:52 < dooglus> so both names go to your page now
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23:52 < genete> I have seen it now
23:52 < dooglus> anyway - I'll go back to the crash I'm trying to fix!
23:53 < genete> also needs being categorized
23:53 < genete> dooglus: good luck
23:56 < dooglus> genete: interesting thing about your bug - you don't have to 'export' the origin to get it to crash
23:56 < dooglus> genete: just right-clicking on 'origin', looking at the word 'export', then closing the menu without clicking anything is enough
23:57 < genete> Can you refresh my mind? 
23:58 < dooglus> genete: load your 'coolexport2.sifz', make a pastecanvas, set the canvas to 'plant', export the origin, and close the document -> crash
23:58 < genete> the bugtraker page is very slow
23:58 < dooglus> genete: I am quite familiar with those steps now!
23:58 < genete> I remember...
23:59 < genete> dooglus said: just right-clicking on 'origin', looking at the word 'export', then closing the menu without clicking anything is enough
23:59 < genete> I'll try it
23:59 < dooglus> genete: you still need to set the canvas though.  but you can have the pastecanvas already created in the .sifz file - you don't need to have just created it
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