--- Log opened Sat Oct 06 00:00:41 2007
00:02 < dooglus> pxegeek: I've fixed that newjulia2 radialblur bug now
00:02 < pxegeek> :)
00:02 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r843 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/mod_filter/radialblur.cpp: 
00:02 < CIA-28> synfig: Fix 1807709: radial blur doesn't render properly. It renders much more properly
00:02 < CIA-28> synfig: now. Compare http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/radial-blur-without-fix.png
00:02 < CIA-28> synfig: and http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/radial-blur-with-fix.png (rendered from
00:02 < CIA-28> synfig: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/radial-blur-3.sifz ).
00:03 < pxegeek> Looking good!
00:04 < dooglus> the red lines were just for diagnostic purposes
00:05 < dooglus> so I could see clearly where the tile edges were
00:11 < dooglus> here's julia: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/newjulia2.png
00:27 < pxegeek> Well, I can't see the joins anymore...
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00:52 < pxegeek> Grrr...  Why do companies cancel an existing direct debit when they know it takes them longer than a month to set up a new one?
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02:02 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r844 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated to r843.
02:55 < dooglus> it's time for a release, dontcha think?
02:56 < dooglus> pabs3: is there anything to add to http://wiki.synfig.com/Release about the process?
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03:51 < pabs3> dooglus: I don't think so
03:52 < pabs3> dooglus: apart from regression testing before starting
03:53 < pabs3> ah, wait, writing a short thing for LWN can be a good idea
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04:26 < dooglus> pabs3: I've put a script together to do a lot of the release steps:
04:26 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/synfig-release.sh
04:26 < dooglus> pabs3: I've updated the NEWS files, the README files seem to be OK.  I've added my copyright to lots of files, bumped the version numbers and dependencies.
04:27 < dooglus> (the commit is taking a while - there are lots of files I've changed)
04:28 < pabs3> looks good
04:28 < dooglus> I guess 'tag release in svn' is missing
04:29 < dooglus> and I'm aware that I still didn't respond to your cancelled-meeting notes...
04:29 < dooglus> I keep meaning to
04:31 < dooglus> the last commit was 849.  I'll hold off on any more commits, so the release can be 850 (the NEWS files need the date and svn release number updating - that can be r850)
04:31 < dooglus> but I'll leave it a while so people can try what's there at the moment.
04:32 < dooglus> I've not left the code alone for more than a few hours in the last month.  I guess it's good to have a period of testing before the release.
04:32 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r845 /synfig-core/trunk/config/subs.m4: Set the default optimization level to be 2 now that it works OK.
04:32 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r846 /ETL/trunk/README: Add my copyright.
04:32 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r847 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bump the version numbers ready for the coming release.
04:32 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r848 / (141 files in 16 dirs): Add my copyright to files I've modified.
04:32 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r849 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Bump the required versions of ETL and synfig.
04:36 < pabs3> dooglus: thing is with the news files is that the tagging uses a commit #, so you have to edit ETL NEWS, commit, tag it, edit synfig NEWS, commit, tag it, edit synfigstudio NEWS, commit, tag it
04:37 < pabs3> dooglus: perhaps we should post the draft News page on the website and add a call for testing to it?
04:37 < dooglus> pabs3: I can't tag core and studio in one operation?
04:37 < dooglus> pabs3: good idea.
04:38 < pabs3> hmm, possibly. I never tried your fancy svn setup, so not sure
04:39  * pabs3 tries it now
04:40 < dooglus> wait
04:40 < dooglus> I'm uploading a tarball of a clean svn working dir
04:40 < dooglus> much easier to just use that
04:40 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/synfig-r849.tbz
04:40 < pabs3> coolio
04:41 < dooglus> it's just etl, core, studio - the other dirs are mapped to 'empty'
04:43 < dooglus> I linked to it on http://wiki.synfig.com/Subversion
04:47 < pabs3> dooglus: have you an account on synfig.com?
04:47 < dooglus> yes
04:48 < dooglus> in a moment of inspiration I called it 'dooglus'
04:48 < dooglus> I'm off to bed now, and don't know how much I'll be online tomorrow.
04:49 < dooglus> I can try to post a call-for-testing if I get time, but feel free to do so yourself :)
04:49 < pabs3> added you to admins on synfig.com
04:49 < dooglus> goodnight
04:49 < dooglus> ok, thanks
04:49 < pabs3> nite
04:49  * pabs3 about to go to lunch
04:49 < pabs3> later all
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05:57 < Zelig> What's up all
05:59 < pxegeek> evening Zelig!
05:59 < Zelig> pxegeek! :) How are ya?
05:59 < pxegeek> Looks like we're getting close to a release
06:00 < pxegeek> Doing OK - suffering a little with another cold
06:00 < Zelig> Ooh! Nice. I mean about the release, not the cold..
06:00 < pxegeek> How ya doing?
06:00 < Zelig> I'm doing good. Long week at work.. Very busy.
06:01 < Zelig> I'm a production artist for an ad agency.
06:01 < pxegeek> YoOu and me both.  
06:01 < pxegeek> Anything I might have seen?
06:03 < Zelig> Mmmm... Well only possibly. Since this is Vegas we do a lot of stuff for the casinos here. MGM Grand Casino, the new Planet Hollywood Casino, the Palms. Some other casinos not in Vegas, like Belterra and Borgata, 
06:04 < pxegeek> I'm sure there must be webpages....?
06:05 < Zelig> Well, we do have an interactive department, but I work mostly with print...
06:06 < Zelig> The company's website is http://www.skgadv.com
06:07 < pxegeek> Ah - one of those elite companies that will only let you see their website if you have flash installed, huh?
06:07 < pxegeek> ;)
06:07 < Zelig> Yeah, yeah. It's an ad agency so there has to be a certain amount of Flash (pun intended)
06:09 < pxegeek> Do you ever get to meet anyone famous?  Or is it all reduced to photos and artwork by the time you see it?
06:09 < Zelig> At least the site isn't really annoying as Flash could make it. There's not even any sound.
06:11 < Zelig> Meh... Not really. Many jobs are transmitted to us with prepared artwork. We do a lot of shoots ourselves though. In fact, Tuesday is going to be a shoot for the agency and I was asked to be a part of it.
06:12 < Zelig> We have an on-staff photographer.
06:12 < pxegeek> Remember the little folk when you're rich and famous!
06:13  * pxegeek thinks he should get a TShirt printed  - "My other browser has flash enabled"
06:14 < Zelig> Hah. Yeah right. I've done some voice-over for them as well here and there, but nothing that's gotten to the final stages. In the last thing I did for a Bahamas resort called Baha Mar, the client was torn between my reading and some Demi Moore soundalike. They went with "Demi"
06:15 < Zelig> Or how about "Rememer when people used Flash for cartoons?"
06:16 < pxegeek> OOoohhh!   Synfig T-Shirts!
06:16 < Zelig> Why do you think I created Sy 'n' Fig? Mascots, man. Mascots!
06:17 < pxegeek> "My 2D Vector Animation program has HDRI - does yours?"
06:18 < pxegeek> They're fun, but I think we need cuter for a mascot.  They look like a couple of bald-headed guys you'd meet down the pub.
06:19 < pxegeek> 'specially that Fig.  He's got a mean streak.
06:19 < pxegeek> ;)
06:20 < pxegeek> "You can manually adjust my ducks at anytime"
06:21 < pxegeek> I think I may be stretching here....
06:21 < Zelig> "My 2D animation program can blur, distort, spherize, twirl, warp, fractal, bevel, shade...
06:21 < Zelig> ...oh, yours can blur? How cute."
06:21 < pxegeek> You saw that addition to Inkscape? 
06:21 < Zelig> Synfig! For the best in Manually adjusted ducks!
06:21 < pxegeek> I haven't played with AnimeStudio to know it's weaknesses
06:21 < Zelig> Addition? I haven't gotten the latest autopackage yet.
06:22 < pxegeek> UI for SVG filter effects. Mmm. http://d-s-p.de/files/filter.png.
06:23 < Zelig> Oh that! Yeah, I saw that synopsis of the Summer of Code stuff.
06:24 < pxegeek> Synfig - when 49 new versions a week just isn't enough....
06:25 < Zelig> I'm looking to try out how they updated the text tools.
06:25 < pxegeek> Or dooglus's "There were a few bits of code left over, so I just put them in a drawer"
06:25 < Zelig> Synfig: When all you wanna do is make a cartoon.
06:25 < pxegeek> :)
06:26 < pxegeek> Synfig: Sometimes tweening happens automatically
06:26 < Zelig> "Synfig: Save early, save often!"
06:27 < pxegeek> That one got a chuckle
06:27 < Zelig> Synfig: SVN updates while you wait!
06:27 < pxegeek> Synfig: For when RGB values of 0-100 just aren't enough!
06:30 < pxegeek> Synfig: tracking Blines since 2007
06:30 < Zelig> Synfig: the more you use it, the better we get!
06:31 < pxegeek> Oooohh - good one.
06:31 < pxegeek> 'You should work in advertising!
06:32 < Zelig> heh.
06:33 < pxegeek> Synfig - take one tablet and IRC me in the morning
06:33 < Zelig> It was interesting that you say Fig has a mean streak. I just started doodling these characters and as I came up with the actions I wanted to do for the cartoon, personalities just started to emerge.
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06:34 < Zelig> Tex Avery would use Synfig.
06:34 < pxegeek> My wife writes for a hobby.  She gets very frustrated when the characters start doing their own things.
06:34 < Zelig> LOL
06:35 < pxegeek> Synfig - What Scooby would Doo?
06:36 < Zelig> Well, sometimes that happens. I tend to like when an idea has it's own wings. I worked on one idea and created a whole bunch of characters and soon the backstory for them all just presented itself.
06:37 < Zelig> Synfig Park: Oh my god! You killed Flash!
06:37 < Zelig> (Ambitious, I know...)
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06:38 < pxegeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/Scoobydoo.sif
06:38 < pxegeek> Yes, we may have to wait a while before flash is done.
06:39 < pxegeek> Hi GustoEater!
06:39 < Zelig> Synfig: Animators wanted.
06:39 < GustoEater> Hi pxegeek.
06:39 < pxegeek> 'scuse us - Zelig and I are just trading inanities
06:40 < Zelig> Hello Gusto
06:40 < GustoEater> Hi Zelig.
06:40 < GustoEater> Excellent Scooby!!
06:40  * pxegeek blushes
06:40 < Zelig> Wow. Who did this Scooby? It's really nice.
06:40 < pxegeek> I did it a while ago when Synfig was a lot less stable
06:40 < pxegeek> It's just a tracing
06:41 < GustoEater> Anyone had the colors run in a final render?
06:41 < Zelig> What do you mean 'run'?
06:41 < pxegeek> You wouldn't believe how many times it crashed on me while I was doing it.  Thank goodness for autosave.
06:42 < pxegeek> Do you have a screenshot or render you could post?
06:42 < GustoEater> I must be really lucky...using it a week and it still hasn't crashed on me.
06:43 < Zelig> That IS really lucky, gusto
06:43 < pxegeek> Which OS?
06:44 < pxegeek> (don't tell dooglus - he's still smashing bugs left & right)
06:44 < Zelig> Yeah dooglus is pretty guru.
06:45 < GustoEater> linux.  dooglus helped me install (had a ton of trouble building), nothing since then.
06:45 < GustoEater> I just tried to do a screenshot of the movie and the screenshot looks fine (although the movie looked terrible).
06:45 < pxegeek> Ah - you've been here before under a different screen name :)
06:46 < GustoEater> Yes...it was Doug__, but couldn't signon that way today.
06:46 < pxegeek> exporting to libav?
06:47 < pxegeek> StephanMoran had that issue - can't remember what we did instead.  
06:47 < pxegeek> Looks like a TV that's not tuned in correctly?
06:49 < pxegeek> I think we suggested exporting as a series of pngs and using ffmpeg to convert them to mpeg
06:50 < GustoEater> Looks exactly like that.  Rendering to a ffmpeg.
06:50 < GustoEater> How do I convert from series of pngs to an ffmpeg?
06:50 < Zelig> I've used a program called avidemux
06:50 < pxegeek> ffmpeg can run from the command line
06:51 < pxegeek> I don't remember the options, but I'm sure "ffmpeg --help" would list them
06:52 < GustoEater> ...rendering right now.  I'm really confused about why the screenshot of my movie would look correct.
06:54 < Zelig> So far, I haven't had trouble with ffmpeg. Since I'm going to fly in sound fx, I've been rendering to dv for Cinellera.
06:54 < Zelig> But I've also been going through dooglus' tutorial on assembling everything in Synfig (using my own files, for crying out loud...)
06:55 < Zelig> And I'm assembling my own version. I just have to adjust the final credits and I think I have the visual part all sewed up.
06:57 < GustoEater> Can we see your work in progress, Zelig?
06:58 < Zelig> Soon. I still have to update the credit window. I'll post the address a little later.
07:00 < pxegeek> "Synfig - Now with less block radial blurs!"
07:06 < Zelig> Holy hell! New Boondocks on Adult Swim!
07:15 < GustoEater> Do you need any add-ons to render to dv?  I ended up with an empty file.
07:16 < pxegeek> I think libav
07:16 < pxegeek> or libdv
07:16 < pxegeek> (not enabled for windows, so I don't know)
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07:19 < GustoEater> Okay, I have both of those and got it to render, but the file causes a crash, but at least I'm making progress.
07:24 < GustoEater> Goodnight, all.
07:24 < Zelig> Night Gusto
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07:47 < pxegeek> Well, I may be the only one using it, but in case anyone else wants to try it - There's a windows build of SVN 849 ready for testing on synfig.com
07:48 < pxegeek> 'night all!
07:48  * pabs3 smiles
07:53 < pabs3> nice work with the inanities Zelig, pxegeek 
07:54 < Zelig> Heh.. Thanks.
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07:56 < pabs3> definitely need one of those on a t-shirt for whoever ends up going to LGM next year
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10:05 < genete> Hi all!
10:05 < genete> only to say that the new release is agood new!
10:05 < genete> I'm ready be a tester if needed.
10:05 < genete> bye!
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15:47 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r850 /ETL/tags/ETL_0_04_10_rc1: Release ETL_0_04_10_rc1
15:47 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r851 /synfig-core/tags/synfig_0_61_07_rc1: Release synfig_0_61_07_rc1
15:47 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r852 /synfig-studio/tags/synfigstudio_0_61_07_rc1: Release synfigstudio_0_61_07_rc1
15:56 < dooglus> the 'synfigstudio_0_61_06' tag was never applied?
16:02 < CIA-28> synfig: dooglus * r853 /synfig-studio/tags/synfigstudio_0_61_06: Release synfigstudio_0_61_06
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17:06 < dooglus> hi genete
17:06 < dooglus> I made a release candidate available on sourceforge
17:06 < dooglus> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=144022
17:06 < dooglus> want to test it?
17:07 < genete> Hi!
17:07 < genete> I'm compiling from svn
17:09 < genete> but I was also using mencoder with a movie to convert it to DIVX... LOL my computer is burning!
17:10 < dooglus> genete: probably better to compile from those release candidate .tar.gz archives, to make sure they're OK
17:11 < dooglus> svn won't be changing for a while anyway.
17:11 < genete> OK I'll do so. Just do the same without svn co and ./bootstrap isn't it?
17:12 < dooglus> yes, I think so
17:12 < genete> anyway I'm at final stage on building synfigstudio... I'll let it finish
17:13 < genete> Using the tar.gz will need to write the export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig command line?
17:13 < genete> I always do it.
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17:23 < dooglus> I don't think that's necessary in ubuntu
17:23 < dooglus> it's done by default I think
17:24 < dooglus> I posted a call for testing of the release candidate on
17:24 < dooglus> http://www.synfig.com/
17:24 < KiBi> dooglus: Unless pabs3 beats me to it, I'll give it a shot after having grabbed some food.
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17:24 < dooglus> pxegeek/Atrus - please can you make Windows installers available?
17:25 < pabs3> pxegeek/Atrus: please use the released tarballs instead of SVN this time
17:25 < dooglus> KiBi: a shot at packaging for debian?
17:25 < KiBi> yep
17:26 < dooglus> KiBi: that's kool and the gang
17:26  * pabs3 gonna be too busy to do the deb update
17:26  * pabs3 zzz
17:26 < pabs3> nite all
17:26 < KiBi> OK pabs3, I'll prepare it and ask for review/upload. ;-)
17:26 < KiBi> 'Night.
17:26 < pabs3> coolio, nite
17:29 < KiBi> Oh, the whole sources are in svn /o\
17:29 < KiBi> (I mean: debian pkg-synfig's svn)
17:32 < dooglus> I've no idea what you mean - is that a bad thing?
17:32 < dooglus> oh, the debian svn?
17:33 < KiBi> yeah, usually one puts only the debian/ dir there
17:33 < KiBi> I'll discuss that with pabs3 once he's back anyway, I'll keep a track of patches and we'll see.
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17:50 < KiBi> Error: Problems running epstopdf. Check your TeX installation!
17:50 < KiBi> touch .doc_stamp
17:50 < KiBi> make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire << /home/kibi/synfig-packaging/ETL-0.04.10 >>
17:50 < KiBi> That error should probably trigger a build error, don't you think?
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17:53 < dooglus> I'm not sure what's happening about the doc stuff
17:53 < dooglus> we use the wiki for documentation, and the doc directory in svn is out of date.
17:54 < KiBi> I'm missing a binary, that's no big deal.
17:54 < dooglus> I've not made a new release of the -doc stuff
17:54 < KiBi> But failing would be better that ignoring it, I'd say.
17:59 < KiBi> 1 of 11 tests failed
17:59 < KiBi> Please report to darco@deepdarc.com
17:59 < KiBi> ===================================
18:07 < dooglus> what address should we use instead?
18:08 < dooglus> we don't have a maintainer email address as such
18:09 < KiBi> Please report to http://sf.net/$some_url ?
18:15 < KiBi> dooglus: OK, I think I have done what is needed to update the Debian etl package.
18:16 < KiBi> I'm checking it builds fine with either gs-gpl or gs-esp. Next time is to try under pbuilder.
18:16 < KiBi> And nexts are to try and build synfig, then synfigstudio. :)
18:32 < KiBi> OK, pbuilder is fine.
18:32 < KiBi> And the diff between the previous etl-dev and this one looks good (only a few .html change).
18:35 < KiBi> pabs3: http://kibi.dyndns.org:8083/~kibi/synfig/etl/ ; patches needed after a cp -r debian/ from the trunk.
18:37 < dooglus> KiBi: there's nothing in ETL that really needs building - it's just a bunch of header files
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18:47 < Ceox> Hey all!
18:48 < Ceox> I have a question about synfig on windows.
18:48 < Ceox> are any of the devs here?
18:59 < Ceox> always when i try to start synfig on windows, there just comes this black window for a millisecond, and then it disappears. whats the problem?
19:01 < Ceox> synfig just looks like the perfect app, i've been searching for and i really would like it to work
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19:27 < dooglus> hey Ceox 
19:28 < dooglus> Ceox: synfig is a command-line app
19:28 < dooglus> you want to use synfig-studio instead
19:28 < dooglus> it's the gui
19:28 < dooglus> synfig-studio uses synfig to do its work
19:29 < dooglus> Ceox: we're about to release a new version of synfig & studio - see http://www.synfig.com/
19:29 < dooglus> it hasn't been built for windows yet, but you can find a very similar build on the downloads page, marked svn 849 or similar
19:31 < KiBi> dooglus: Anyway, we have to package it. :p
19:35 < dooglus> KiBi: for windows?
19:35 < Ceox> studio
19:35 < Ceox> ?
19:36 < KiBi> dooglus: I'm a debian packager.
19:36 < Ceox> is that the animation soft?
19:36 < KiBi> I do not own any windows.
19:36 < dooglus> Ceox: synfig-core is what you're running, and synfig-studio is the gui
19:36 < Ceox> nope
19:36 < Ceox> its studio, im running
19:36 < dooglus> Ceox: and you're getting a black window appear?
19:36 < dooglus> Ceox: where did you get it from?
19:36 < Ceox> yes a command thingy
19:36 < Ceox> synfig.com
19:37 < Ceox> i recorded the screen, and the command box appeared for one frame
19:37 < dooglus> Ceox: use http://www.synfig.com/synfig-0.61.07-849.exe and http://www.synfig.com/synfigstudio-0.61.07-849.exe
19:37 < Ceox> it was empty
19:38 < dooglus> install both of those, synfig first, then synfigstudio
19:38 < Ceox> i installed exactly those
19:38 < Ceox> and the GTK things
19:38 < dooglus> oh, ok.  I've not tried them personally, because I run linux
19:40 < dooglus> Ceox: they're new - since yesterday I think. It could be that they were built wrong, I guess, but they should have been tested before being put on the web site
19:40 < Ceox> so you don't know what the problem is?
19:40 < Ceox> ok
19:40 < dooglus> Ceox: I don't.  you could try the older (731) version and see if you get the same with that
19:40 < Ceox> and the gtk's are necessary?
19:42 < dooglus> you need gtk and gtkmm, yes
19:42 < Ceox> ok
19:42 < dooglus> you might already have them - pidgin/gaim uses gtk for example
19:42 < Ceox> i'll try it with the older ones soon
19:42 < Ceox> ok
19:42 < Ceox> i got GTK+ at least
19:42 < dooglus> I'll try with the newer ones when I'm on windows, but that won't be for a few hours
19:42 < Ceox> what time do you have it?
19:43 < dooglus> I can try it in 4 hours or so I guess
19:43 < Ceox> i mean what's the time in your country right now?
19:43 < dooglus> I have to go now, but will report back later...
19:43 < dooglus> it's 19:43
19:43 < Ceox> ok
19:43 < Ceox> see you
19:43 < Ceox> wait
19:44 < Ceox> i try the other older ones tomorrow, its night here. and come back in here tomorrow
19:44 < dooglus> if you can't stay in the channel, you can read the logs - they're linked from synfig.com
19:44 < Ceox> yeah, i know
19:44 < Ceox> thanks for your help!
19:44 < dooglus> and if the official logger is broken, as it often is, I keep logs too, here:
19:44 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/logs/2007/?C=M;O=D
19:44 < dooglus> talk to you later :)
19:44 < Ceox> ok
19:45 < Ceox> see you :)
19:45 < Ceox> ok, i'll check it out then
19:45 < Ceox> darn
19:45 < Ceox> wrong chat
19:45 < Ceox> sorry
19:46 < Ceox> im out too now
19:46 < Ceox> cyall
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20:31 < ulrikboden> hi!
20:36 < dooglus> Hi!
20:36 < ulrikboden> dooglus: how are you? I seen you're about to release v.0.61.07
20:37 < KiBi> -rc1 :)
20:38 < ulrikboden> KiBi: ok, so that means the test version just before i guess?
20:38 < KiBi> yep :)
20:39 < ulrikboden> cool :) 
20:39 < ulrikboden> a lot of nice things have developed with synfig tlast time
20:41 < ulrikboden> is the rc1 the same as the latest svn version? i've updated to r853
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20:55 < dooglus> It's the same, yes. I'll stop changing stuff for a while so we can test it a bit.
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21:02 < ulrikboden> ok, congratulations to you all developers, you have been working like he....last couple of weeks!!! I really respect you knowledge in this kind of, for me,  abracadabra stuff! ;) 
21:03 < dooglus> pxegeek, did you see the logs? Someone was having trouble with you most recent build.
21:05 < ulrikboden> dooglus: if you are refering to the latest window  build, r849, i installed it on my wife's pc and it runs with no problems
21:11 < pxegeek> I saw.
21:11 < pxegeek> Yay Ulrik. 
21:12 < pxegeek> It worked on mine also, but I hadn't done a complete install of GTK also...
21:18 < dooglus> I just booted Windows, so I'll try it here
21:18 < dooglus> pxegeek: can you build again from the release candidate tarballs I put on sourceforge?
21:18 < dooglus> it would be good to know they build OK on Windows
21:19 < dooglus> (even though they should be identical to svn)
21:24 < ulrikboden> i'm having some problems with the latest svn r853, i get this message when trying to render: Unable to create target for /Users/ulrikboden/Desktop/gubbe/gubbe.png
21:25 < dooglus> what if you try rendering to gubbe2.png?
21:25 < dooglus> like maybe gubbe.png isn't writable for some reason?
21:26 < ulrikboden> no, didn't work, i'll try another name
21:27 < dooglus> maybe the gubbe directory isn't writable
21:27 < ulrikboden> i changed name and i changed directory to, but it will not render
21:27 < dooglus> ugh
21:27 < dooglus> when did it last work?
21:27 < ulrikboden> i thought so to, i'll check
21:27 < ulrikboden> before the synfig update
21:28 < ulrikboden> i will run my disc utility and check permissions
21:31 < dooglus> I'd ask you to VNC me, but I'm running Windows, and don't know how
21:35 < ulrikboden> dooglus: it's rendering now, i used discmanager to solve fix the permissions and i also restarted synfig and now it's working again. I don't know what solved the issue, permissins or the restart
21:36 < dooglus> ulrikboden: probably permissions - I've not changed anything for 2 days other than the radial blur thing
21:36 < ulrikboden> yeah, probably
21:37 < dooglus> pxegeek: your 849 build runs OK for me on Windows.  It does open a black window first though.
21:37 < dooglus> pxegeek: I suspect a bad gtk/gtkmm install was the problem for Ceox
21:37 < dooglus> maybe installing to somewhere other than c:\GTK is still a problem?
21:40 < dooglus> ulrikboden: could you try VNC'ing to 89.176.28.156 port 5500 please?
21:40 < dooglus> I'm curious to know whether I got my Windows VNC set up right
21:41 < dooglus> thanks
21:41 < dooglus> looks good
21:42 < dooglus> and again?
21:42 < dooglus> (wondering it if needs restarting)
21:44 < dooglus> pxegeek: I enjoyed your and Zelig's T-shirt ideas :)
21:59 < pxegeek> :)
21:59  * pxegeek just stepped away for lunch - back now
22:00 < pxegeek> Don't know if I can rebuild from the tarballs, but I guess I can try.
22:01 < pxegeek> Yes, the console always comes up first, and if something is wrong then it would bale out
22:02 < pxegeek> If he comes back, ask him to start running synfigstudio from a command prompt.  That way, when it bales, we should see why it was complaining. 
22:05 < dooglus> good idea
22:06 < dooglus> I'll see if I can put a script together to build from the tarballs
22:09 < dooglus> is there some way to make the touchpad more responsive in windows?
22:09 < dooglus> I'm having to move my finger over it 3 or 4 times to get the mouse pointer across the screen
22:12  * pxegeek uses mouse and tablet.
22:12 < pxegeek> Is it a thinkpad?
22:12 < dooglus> no, it's an asus, with a synaptics touchpad
22:12 < pxegeek> No, you said it was a Dell
22:12 < pxegeek> Asus.
22:12 < pxegeek> OK
22:13 < dooglus> seems adjusting the mouse settings does the trick
22:13 < dooglus> but makes the mouse too fast...
22:13 < pxegeek> Does it come with a setup?
22:13 < pxegeek> Asus setup rather than a Windows setup
22:13 < dooglus> it comes with a bunch of stuff, but the Windows is all in Czech
22:14 < dooglus> there is a touchpad-specific systray entry
22:14 < dooglus> but it gives an error when I run it
22:15 < dooglus> probably something like 'exception while running shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL "C:\WINDOWS\System32\main.cpl"
22:15 < dooglus> I tried debugging it, but can't find the source code.  where's the source for shell32.dll?
22:17 < pxegeek> :)
22:17 < pxegeek> Ask Bill
22:17 < dooglus> any idea how to run msys from the command line?
22:18 < dooglus> I get:
22:18 < dooglus> Cannot find the rxvt.exe or sh.exe binary -- aborting.
22:18 < dooglus> PokraŸujte stisknut...............vesy... 
22:18 < pxegeek> Well, I unpacked your RC tarball.  It's bigger thena the SVN version I have, so should't be missing anything
22:18 < pxegeek> Let me see the cmd line called by the icon
22:18 < dooglus> bigger?  that's odd
22:18 < dooglus> svn has everything twice...
22:18 < pxegeek> A few extra files
22:18 < pxegeek> change logs & other misc stuff
22:19 < pxegeek> You should have a msys.bat?
22:19 < dooglus> yes
22:19 < pxegeek> & that's bombing out?
22:20 < dooglus> yes
22:20 < pxegeek> start it in c:\msys\1.0\bin
22:20 < pxegeek> ?
22:20 < dooglus> that works
22:21 < pxegeek> :)
22:21 < dooglus> I tried adding that to my PATH, but that doesn't work
22:21 < dooglus> I don't know how to get Emacs to 'cd' before running a shell
22:22 < pxegeek> Bizarrely, on my work laptop, I can't click to open a sfiz from a web browser, but I can download and then open it.  Works fine on my home PC
22:22 < pxegeek> The error message it gives me is that it can't find a dll, which is in the dir that's the first entry in my path environment
22:23 < pxegeek> Go figure..
22:23 < pxegeek> Some problems just aren't worth worrying over.
22:23 < dooglus> one thing I notice in windows is that all the dialogs are separate
22:23 < dooglus> you open the toolbox, and the dialogs don't open with it
22:23 < dooglus> is that the same for you?
22:24 < dooglus> in linux all the dialogs are linked to the toolbox - open the toolbox and the dialogs open, close the toolbox and the dialogs close
22:24 < pxegeek> All windows dialogs live their own life.  
22:24 < pxegeek> Gimp behaves the same
22:25 < dooglus> I guess there's no way of improving it then
22:25 < dooglus> maybe it's possible to install a better window manager?
22:25 < pxegeek> There's probably a way to scan for Synfig windows and pop them to the top, but it would confuse most users
22:25  * dooglus remembers playing with something called 'window blinds' or 'window shades' or something like that
22:26 < pxegeek> A better windows manager => Linux?
22:26 < dooglus> heh, well yes, but that's not an answer for everyone.  some people find it hard to give up their MS addiction
22:26 < pxegeek> Yes, blinds is available, but I think it's just 'window dressing' :)
22:27 < pxegeek> :( doesn't look like I can use the standard build scripts that work for SVN...
22:27 < pxegeek> cp: cannot stat `/home/Chris/synfig/_src/ETL/.svn': No such file or directory
22:27 < dooglus> right
22:27 < dooglus> _src is an Atrus-ism
22:27 < pxegeek> Your tarball doesn't have a .svn
22:28 < dooglus> I don't think it's supposed to?
22:28 < pxegeek> yes, but that's what his scripts expect
22:28 < dooglus> right
22:28 < dooglus> the tarball comes with Changelog already in it, right?
22:28 < pxegeek> I thought it was created when you do the SVN copy
22:28 < pxegeek> yes
22:28 < dooglus> that's all .svn is used for during building I think - generating the changelogs
22:29 < dooglus> I'll make a script for building from these .tar.gz files
22:29 < pxegeek> prop-base, props, text-base, tmp....
22:30 < ulrikboden> hey , i made some "export" and "convert" tests to link a mouth expression to the cheek, nose and eyebrowse, this is the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZaYlk7HZc
22:30 < pxegeek> Would it upset the integrity of the tarball if I just copied the .svn dir in?
22:30 < dooglus> just 'mkdir .svn' would do it, right?
22:31 < dooglus> better to make a copy of the script and comment out the line that requires the .svn dir though
22:33 < ulrikboden> why wooble textlayers when moving or zooming in/ out on them, is this normal or is it a bug? look at this: http://www.musikboden.se/other%20projects/animated%20movies/synfig/files/page27-1011-pop.html
22:35 < dooglus> what can I use to watch that?
22:35 < dooglus> do I have to install quicktime?  or is there something less dodgy?
22:35 < ulrikboden> oh, sorry yes it's quicktime, i'll fix another one...hold on
22:36 < ulrikboden> i'll put it on youtube
22:40 < dooglus> doesn't make much different to me - I probably can't watch youtube either at the moment
22:40 < dooglus> I'm using Windows, and don't have anything installed properly
22:42 < pxegeek> Ulrik - I think I've seen the text wobble you talk of...  I'll put up a pointer to my file in a bit
22:43 < dooglus> ulrikboden: I see the .mov now
22:45 < ulrikboden> you see the wobbling effect, i'm zooming and translating at the same time
22:46 < ulrikboden> here it is on youtube as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70SKP4ot0E
22:46 < pxegeek> ETL built, lets try core
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22:49 < ulrikboden> hi genete
22:49 < genete> hi!
22:49 < genete> I'm reading the log
22:49 < ulrikboden> :) 
22:51 < pxegeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/mascot2.sif for my example of text wobble - looks very funky in a preview render
22:52 < pxegeek> Mine's just a straight translate, no zooming
22:53 < pxegeek> HI Genete
22:53 < genete> hi!
22:53 < genete> ulrikboden: cool text animation!
22:54 < dooglus> pxegeek: how do you download something like that?
22:54 < dooglus> a .sif URL?
22:54 < ulrikboden> genete: thank you, you see the wobbling effect when translating and zooming the text?
22:54 < dooglus> I would usually wget it, but don't have that here
22:55 < ulrikboden> pxegeek: thank you for the example, yes i see you have same wobbling effect
22:55 < pxegeek> Firefox will open it up as a text file, and then save_as
22:55 < dooglus> pxegeek: ok, and what about .sifz files?
22:55 < pxegeek> Don't know what IE does with it - probably ask you if you want to save it
22:56 < genete> ulrikboden: mmm what? in youtube? What do you mean?
22:56 < dooglus> pxegeek: I'm running firefox too
22:56 < pxegeek> Hopefully it recognizes it as a binary and give you the option to download it.
22:56 < ulrikboden> it's also jumping up and down, and the space between the letters change
22:57 < genete> let me watch it again...
22:57 < pxegeek> It's aligning them to something - they snap to something....
22:57 < pxegeek> I don't know if it's a grid or each other....
22:57 < ulrikboden> genete: yes on youtube, at the beginning the text comes towards you and it wobbles
22:58 < ulrikboden> pxegeek: yes it looks like they "snap" to something, the grid? but it's not enabled
22:58 < genete> ah wobble, a new word for my collection...
22:58 < genete> wait
22:59 < genete> Mmmm but it is very small
22:59 < genete> there are more transalation than wobble
23:00 < ulrikboden> yes small, but it's disturbing i think, i believe it's not supposed to wobble like that
23:00 < genete> dooglus: I'm making synfig from releaase now...
23:00 < dooglus> pxegeek: firefox told me 'you have chose to open blah.sifz which is a synfig composition', and opened it in synfig studio...
23:01 < dooglus> ulrikboden: I think what it does is checks out the url mentioned in the text, and renders the text to the same quality as the rest of the site.
23:01 < dooglus> I think it must think musicboden is a bit wobbly ;)
23:01 < ulrikboden> lol
23:02 < genete> what I really like are the two following effects that come after...
23:02 < genete> they're so cool ...
23:03 < ulrikboden> i think the last one is the best, with the animated gradient as well
23:03 < dooglus> looks like radial blur and spherize, right?
23:03 < ulrikboden> right
23:04 < genete> dooglus: A question: can we think about a noisy effect. Maybe a layer effect or a real conversion?
23:04 < genete> ulrikboden: like the noisy keyframe of Anime Studio...
23:05 < dooglus> genete: did you see the noise distort layer?
23:05 < genete> Yes
23:05 < ulrikboden> ahh..you mean for the outlines?
23:05 < dooglus> genete: I've been thinking a 'random' convert is a good idea
23:05 < genete> only for vertexs
23:05 < pxegeek> Can you describe the noisy keyframe?
23:05 < genete> yes random convert
23:05 < genete> that it
23:06 < genete> that is
23:06 < pxegeek> I've been trying to do some good clouds.
23:06 < dooglus> it takes a scalar, and gives a random number between scalar and zero
23:06 < genete> you can have random for any parameter, not only for geometry...
23:06 < dooglus> or it takes 2 scalars and gives a random number between them
23:06 < pxegeek> The wispy kind are easy to do, but I can't figure a way to do a convincing Cumulo nimbus
23:06 < genete> also I would like to have some control of the rate of the randomness
23:07 < genete> I mean in the time 
23:07 < pxegeek> So we could have regions with nice crinkly edges?
23:07 < genete> For instance it would be like a linear conversion but random around a fix point
23:07 < genete> Also I want it that the original vlaue can be animatable
23:07 < dooglus> all inputs to converts are always animatable
23:08 < genete> Imagine that you let the parameter like it is and add some kind of ramdonnes meanwhile time passes
23:08 < genete> If you convert to linear you can animate the converted values not the original
23:09 < genete> As far as I know noise distort is not animatable?
23:09 < dooglus> yes, but when you convert to random, one of the new sub-parameters will be the base value, which you can still animate
23:09 < genete> ok that's what I said.
23:10 < dooglus> noise distort has lots of parameters
23:10 < dooglus> they're all animatable
23:10 < genete> yes nut not automatically
23:10 < genete> but
23:10 < genete> you have to create all the waypoints
23:11 < genete> I mean in the way noise gradient is
23:11 < genete> noise gradient can be animated in time
23:11 < genete> but AFAIK noise distort not.
23:11 < genete> or it doesn't work properly
23:12 < dooglus> I just tried looking at noise gradient, but studio crashed
23:13 < genete> The Animation Speed parameter don't work for me or I don't know how it work for noise distort.
23:13 < genete> crashed?
23:13 < dooglus> can you imagine?
23:13 < genete> I played with noise gradient a lot of time ago and it worked?!
23:13 < dooglus> and again
23:13 < dooglus> I make a new layer > noise gradient
23:13 < dooglus> edit the properties of my canvas to time = 5s
23:13 < dooglus> and it crashes
23:14 < pxegeek> One of the examples shows an animated noise layer
23:14 < dooglus> oh, not adding a new layer and just setting time=5s also crashes...
23:15 < genete> I've just created a noise gradient and set canvas time =  5s and not crashed...
23:15 < genete> ??
23:15 < genete> And I'm compiling synfig now...
23:16 < genete> my processor is at 150% : ))
23:16 < dooglus> couldcit ffffffff
23:18 < dooglus> it crashes twice more, and the last time it locked up my IRC session too?
23:18 < genete> Heeey Animation speed now works for noise distort!!!!!
23:18 < dooglus> I was trying to say: it could be a windows problem.  I'm running pxegeek's windows build from yesterday
23:18 < genete> I retire the said
23:18 < genete> dooglus: ok
23:19 < genete> returning to the issue: can be random a possible conversion type ??
23:20 < dooglus> genete: yes, of course - but how to make the randomness change smoothly over time?  it that what you're wanting?
23:20 < dooglus> genete: I guess use something like the noise distort/gradient animation
23:20 < pxegeek> dooglus - multi-cpu machine?
23:20 < dooglus> pxegeek: heh, yes
23:21 < dooglus> pxegeek: what was the workaround?
23:21 < dooglus> pxegeek: I'm going to need a little guidance, 'cos all the menu entries are in czech here
23:21 < pxegeek> Ugh - In that case - check out thewiki FAQ
23:21 < pxegeek> there's a 3rd party app from Tom's Hardware
23:22 < genete> dooglus: yes something like that it would be anoher parameter; much big it is much rapid is the change in time.
23:23 < dooglus> pxegeek: when I right-click the process in the task manager, I see a menu with 5 things on it.  which is 'affinity'?
23:23 < genete> (dooglus: synfig make with no error messages)
23:23 < ulrikboden> hehe...i notice that a sub canvas timeline will follow the main timeline when edited, nice work :) 
23:24 < ulrikboden> when they are open both
23:24 < pxegeek> hang on
23:24 < pxegeek> bottom one
23:24 < dooglus> pxegeek: it's ok - tom has a screenshot of the english menu
23:25 < genete> (dooglus: synfig sudo make install with no error messages either... I'm configuring synfigstudio now)
23:29 < ulrikboden> genete. did you see my experiment, connecting mouth expressions to cheek, nose and eyebrowse, very interesting result i think, it could absolutely be used if it is smart rigged (i'm not so smart though...hehe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZaYlk7HZc
23:31 < pxegeek> Watching Scooby Doo, I never realized how much of the action is the gang standing around explaining stuff, or alternately in the same running loop.  
23:31 < pxegeek> It all makes sense now... :)
23:31 < dooglus> pxegeek: that's better.  with tom's affinity thingy running I can drag the time slider for over 1.5 seconds before it crashes :)
23:32 < genete> ulrikboden: quite good! So you have linked some eyebrows nose and cheek movements to the mouth movement? Can you share the file? It seems interesting...
23:33 < pxegeek> Hmmm....  With it running, the only bugs I see are ones that other linux folks report.  
23:33 < dooglus> genete: ulrikboden links to his .sifz files in his youtube videos
23:33 < ulrikboden> sure, it's here: http://musikboden.se/synfigfiles/gubbe.sifz
23:33 < dooglus> pxegeek: try adding a gradient > noise gradient, setting the animation rate to 1 and dragging the time slider around
23:34 < pxegeek> Although I need to reboot and do some more scrolling around on pirates - it seemed like it got progressively slower colouring in the blocks
23:34 < ulrikboden> genete: yes dooglus is right, in "more info" you'll find a link to the files
23:34 < dooglus> pxegeek: my radial-blur fix will make it slow if there's a radial blur in there
23:34 < genete> ulrikboden: opps! I'll have a look when finish compiling synfigstudio... I don't want any strange error if I run synfig meanwhile
23:34 < dooglus> pxegeek: the further you get from the origin of the blur
23:34 < pxegeek> Don't think pirates has a radial blur?
23:35 < ulrikboden> i'm off to bed, early concert tomorrow, see you all...night :) 
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23:36 < dooglus> pxegeek: maybe not, I don't know
23:36 < pxegeek> Oooh - have fun Ulrik!
23:36 < dooglus> pxegeek: (and don't know how to find out easily - it's so uncomfortable being in such an alien environment :)
23:36 < pxegeek> Now you know how I feel in Linux :)
23:37 < dooglus> trying to gunzip it: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
23:38 < dooglus> it kind of unzipped ok, but not quite:
23:38 < dooglus> <bool valu5 <param na>
23:39 < dooglus> weird.
23:40 < pxegeek> I use winrar - but peazip was recommended a while back on IRC if IRC....
23:41 < dooglus> do people really run separate gui apps for every little thing?
23:41 < dooglus> like you have a separate app for zipping?
23:42 < pxegeek> XP can actually do basic zip files - just not the unix ones
23:42 < pxegeek> ('cos Linux doesn't have a whole slew of different apps for any problem!)
23:43 < dooglus> in linux I can pipe things together
23:43 < pxegeek> Amy I looking for radial_blur?
23:43 < dooglus> if I want to unzip pirates.sifz and count how many lines match 'layer type=radial_blur', it's one line
23:43 < pxegeek> I see radial composites, & blurs...
23:44 < dooglus> in windows I run the zip gui, find the file, save the output, run the search app, find the input, save the output, run the line count program, open the input, save the output?
23:44 < dooglus> that seems like a painful way of doing it.
23:44 < pxegeek> Yup, that's about the way it goes
23:44 < dooglus> and what if I have 501 .sif files?  I run each program 501 times?
23:44 < pxegeek> No, in that case you ask a sys admin to write you a batch file :)
23:45 < pxegeek> (Or a linux guru)
23:45 < dooglus> but what does the batch file call?
23:45 < dooglus> the batch file runs winzip, which pops up a gui...
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23:45 < pxegeek> There are command line parameters for many simpler programs.
23:46 < pxegeek> And GUI automaters for those you can't run from command line
23:46 < dooglus> I tried using the command line gunzip program.  it worked for the first 1.236 MB of pirates.sif, then started outputting junk
23:47 < pxegeek> No radial_blur in pirates
23:47 < pxegeek> Is there another string to check for?
23:48 < pxegeek> Hey - core built - now for studio.
23:54 < genete> (dooglus: synfigstudio built with no error messages)
23:54 < KiBi> dooglus: I guess synfig should be built against the latest etl-dev package, right?
23:55 < genete> (dooglus: synfigstudio sudo make install with no problems... Hurraaah!)
23:59 < dooglus> KiBi: yes
23:59 < KiBi> OK, just making sure.
23:59 < dooglus> KiBi: I made it require the newest ETL file - it shouldn't ./configure with the previous one
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