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01:14 < madsen> hey pabs3!
01:16 < pabs3> hey madsen :)
01:16 < madsen> pabs3: I'm still waiting for results from my testers. :-/
01:16 < pabs3> eep, ton of spam got posted since last nite
01:18 < pabs3> coolies
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03:42 < pxegeek> Despammed the wiki - got it down to 8 clicks per page, 34 pages.  Time for a script methinks....
03:42 < pxegeek> Looks like the spambot runs once every 3 days or so.  
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04:00 < pabs3> thanks pxegeek 
04:01 < madsen> Couldn't a simple captcha solution be made? I mean, if people go through the hassle of updating a wiki page, would they mind entering a captcha?
04:04 < pabs3> yeah, that requires darco to have time to add it
04:05 < madsen> Don't you have access to the source of the website?
04:05 < pabs3> I requested he add one a while ago. he suggested to move it to a server someone else has access to
04:05 < madsen> oh, I guess that answers it.
04:05 < pabs3> website is on sourceforge, wiki is on his personal server
04:05 < madsen> :(
04:05 < madsen> It'd only be sensible to move the wiki to sf too.
04:06 < madsen> ... and maybe, in the process, get a nicer one. ;)
04:07 < madsen> How much is darco involved now?
04:07 < pabs3> I don't know if it is possible to have multiple vhosts on sf.net, I'll look tonight tho
04:07 < pabs3> he hosts the wiki and svn, occasionally patches the source
04:08 < pabs3> I don't have access to the website either cause the files need a chmod g+w
04:08 < madsen> Aww! :(
04:08 < madsen> That's terrible!
04:09 < madsen> I mean, one person having way too much responsibility and way too little time... That won't work.
04:09 < madsen> It should be possible to put the wiki in a sub-dir on sf. And the svn can be hosted there too.
04:12 < madsen> I guess this is a topic for the meeting. Is it listed in the agenda yet?
04:13 < pabs3> correct
04:14 < pabs3> bits are, yeah
04:15 < madsen> Wouldn't it make sense to move the whole lot to some standard platform like Drupal or something?
04:16 < madsen> I wouldn't mind lending a hand in the migration as long as it happens before October.
04:17 < pabs3> yep, chrisvp has drupal up: http://clients.lvpmedia.com/synfiglive/
04:18 < madsen> Wow! That looks awesome!
04:19 < pabs3> yeah, the theme is great
04:19 < pabs3> see also http://clients.lvpmedia.com/synfig
04:19 < pabs3> (static version)
04:19 < madsen> And the top space (which is empty now) would be perfect for a "Download the latest release" kinda thing...
04:20 < pabs3> he had a version that had download 1.2.3.4 in it, can't find where that went tho
04:20 < madsen> Wow, looks amazing! I love it!
04:21 < madsen> With a theme like that, you should definitely go for Drupal!
04:26 < pxegeek> Is Chris' website live live?
04:27 < pxegeek> I.e. if we start using it, is he going to want to move it to another server at some point?
04:27 < pxegeek> Has he made a long term commit to hosting it?
04:27 < dooglus> evening all
04:27 < madsen> dooglus: Hey!
04:28  * dooglus is killing time when he should be packing to move to Prague :(
04:29 < madsen> Personally, I think hosting _everything_ on SF is the best solution. Good and fast servers and it's tailored for administration by more people.
04:29 < dooglus> SF is fast?
04:29 < madsen> dooglus: Where are you moving from?
04:29 < dooglus> madsen: from the UK
04:29 < dooglus> madsen: I've been bumming around here from friend to friend for a month no
04:29 < dooglus> w
04:29 < madsen> dooglus: Hehe. You don't usually live in the UK - or...?
04:29 < pxegeek> Evening dooglus!
04:30 < dooglus> madsen: no, I'm usually in Prague
04:30 < madsen> dooglus: Oh. :) I like Prague - it's a nice city.
04:30 < dooglus> madsen: I found myself on a MacBook for the first time yesterday.  Couldn't really get to grips with it though
04:30 < dooglus> pxegeek: hi :)
04:30 < pabs3> pxegeek: no long-term commitment to host it
04:30  * pxegeek echoes dooglus' SF fast? comment
04:30 < madsen> dooglus: Hehe, yeah, it takes some getting used to.
04:31 < pxegeek> pabs: hmmm....
04:31  * pabs3 personally likes the idea of making wiki.s.o www.s.o
04:31 < dooglus> madsen: the UK model doesn't appear to have a # key, which makes it tricky to /join IRC channels!
04:31 < madsen> You don't find SF fast? (Maybe it's just me, my server's on a 256kbit upstream connection.)
04:31 < madsen> dooglus: lol!
04:31 < dooglus> madsen: also, I couldn't work out how to PgUp, so I couldn't scroll back through the #synfig history
04:31 < madsen> It's not on Shift-3?
04:31 < dooglus> madsen: no, that's a sterling sign on the UK keyboard
04:32 < madsen> dooglus: Oh, right... Weird...
04:32 < madsen> dooglus: Anyways, PgUp = Fn-ArrowUp
04:32 < pxegeek> Alt Num pad something something something
04:32 < pxegeek> :)
04:32 < madsen> hehe
04:32 < madsen> That would be windows... :-p
04:32 < dooglus> madsen: I eventually discovered that I could switch it to US keyboard layout, so that was OK, and I found the Fn-Up thing, but that scrolled the terminal buffer up, not the chat client buffer
04:33 < dooglus> madsen: ie. the PgUp was being interpretted by the terminal program, not by the app I was running inside the terminal
04:33 < madsen> dooglus: Oh, you're using ircII or irssi? Yeah, there are Terminal problems on OS X. Put shortly, it sucks... Install iTerm.
04:33 < pxegeek> btw, I turned the Forums feature on, on ChrisVP's webserver.  Anyone have any suggestions for Topic categories?
04:34 < pxegeek> http://clients.lvpmedia.com/synfiglive/forum
04:34 < madsen> dooglus: You sure you didn't press Shift-Fn-ArrowUp?
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04:35 < madsen> pxegeek: Maybe Bugs & Feature Requests
04:36 < dooglus> madsen: pretty sure, yes
04:36 < madsen> dooglus: Odd...
04:37 < dooglus> madsen: I can see how it's useful to have the ability to scroll back through the terminal's buffer using the keyboard, but using PgUp to do so interferes with too many other programs
04:37 < dooglus> madsen: in GNOME I use Shift-PgUp to scroll the terminal buffer, and PgUp on its own to scroll the irssi buffer
04:38 < madsen> dooglus: I've had to dump irssi and start using xchat-aqua because of the stupid Terminal.app... In a screen session via ssh I couldn't do anything but use alphanumeric chars. I couldn't even change active window in neither irssi nor screen.
04:38 < madsen> dooglus: Exactly (with PgUp and Shift-PgUp), that's why I thought you might have hit Shift-PgUp...
04:39 < dooglus> madsen: that's weird - ^n and ^p were switching windows just fine for me.  I guess alt-1 and so on wouldn't have worked though
04:40 < madsen> dooglus: I couldn't even use ^n and ^p - somehow I'd b0rked them, when trying to make the terminal use unicode.
04:40 < madsen> dooglus: Did you check out the ancient GNU tools they ship? Like Bash 2.x, 5 years old ls and stuff...
04:49 < pxegeek> :) The eye animation on You tube just got another comment - I think from a Brit or Pom
04:49 < pxegeek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAYdf-CJwPo#GU5U2spHI_4
04:50 < pabs3> madsen: anything to add to http://wiki.synfig.com/News?
04:56 < dooglus> I just set up a facebook account: dooglus@gmail.com - does anyone else here use it?
05:06 < madsen> pabs3: Oh, sorry, was afk for a while there... You can maybe add that the OS X bundle is currently being tested, so a release _might_ not be far away.
05:06 < pabs3> do you not have a wiki account?
05:08 < madsen> pabs3: Nope, I don't - and I see something related to what I just said, so maybe that's fine. No need to get people's hopes up, if it turns out that the bundle Just Doesn't Work(TM).
05:08 < pabs3> ok
05:09 < madsen> pabs3: Btw, the links to the screenshots give 404's.
05:11 < madsen> Hey! Apparently I DID have a wiki account! :)
05:11 < pabs3> cool, you can update the links :)
05:12 < madsen> I just did. :)
05:13 < madsen> The newly released versions of ETL, Synfig and SynfigStudio have version number 0.61.06, right?
05:13 < pabs3> :D
05:13 < pabs3> yep
05:13 < madsen> K, good. Then I did compile the correct version. :)
05:13 < pabs3> etl is 0.4.9 or something
05:14 < madsen> ... and I see that the version numbering scheme is on the agenda too... Good. :)
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22:43  * madsen posted a few hosting suggestions in the meeting agenda.
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