--- Log opened Mon May 21 00:00:59 2007 00:44 -!- xerakko [n=xerakko@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Me'n vaig"] 01:13 -!- pabs3 [i=daemon@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has joined #synfig 02:00 -!- freakabcd [n=freakabc@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Oyasumi"] 02:11 -!- pabs3 [i=daemon@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Don't rest until all the world is paved in poems."] 02:35 -!- troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/"] 02:35 -!- troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #synfig 02:40 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:38 -!- ChrisVP [n=chris@cpe-72-228-115-8.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #synfig 03:52 -!- ChrisVP [n=chris@cpe-72-228-115-8.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 06:32 -!- pabs3 [i=daemon@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has joined #synfig 06:58 < pxegeek> Well, I completely started over. 06:58 < pxegeek> I've installed the synfig build environment on a new Win2K PC. 06:59 < pxegeek> It's not compiled yet, but it's gotten further than the problem I had on the XP machine where libsynfig.dll wouldn't build. 07:00 < pxegeek> Of course, the new machine I'm using is the oldest one I could find.... 07:00 < pxegeek> It's been chunking away for over 7 hours now on synfig-core... 07:04 < pxegeek> PIII, 900 Mhz. Oooh, feel the power...... 07:14 < pabs3> :) 07:14 * pabs3 getting an amd64 laptop soon 07:16 * pxegeek thinks it's time to invest in a Core 2 Duo 07:18 < pxegeek> How close to the end is it when it finishes making the modules and starts making in tool? 07:19 < pxegeek> Oooooh! Postprocessing! 07:19 < pxegeek> Wahoo! done w/ no errors! 07:23 < pxegeek> Resultant files seem to be ~4x Atrus 07:23 < pxegeek> in size though :( 07:28 < pxegeek> Well bugger me if it doesn't work..... 07:28 < pxegeek> C:\Program Files\synfig\bin>synfig --version 07:28 < pxegeek> synfig 0.61.05-483 07:30 < pxegeek> Now, so I do that again loggoing the output to a file so I can see what's wrong with the other install or do I go ahead and kick off a studio build? 07:31 < pxegeek> ./make_studio.sh FTW!!! 07:31 < pabs3> make &> foo.log 07:31 < pabs3> what do you mean by doesn't work? 07:35 < pxegeek> It's a quaint English expression. Even though it weighs in at 12.7MB, instead of ~6MB it installed and ran. It surprised me. :) 07:36 < pxegeek> Maybe the extra size is openexr.... 07:40 < pxegeek> Seems to render pirates.sif from the command line anyway! 07:41 < pxegeek> Next stop studio, then see if we can't get some debugging going.... 07:41 * pxegeek plans to rule the world by next Tuesday. (Wednesday if it's raining) 07:42 < pxegeek> Enough excitement for one weekend. I'm going to bed.... 07:43 < pxegeek> Later everyone! 07:43 < pabs3> rock on pxegeek :D 08:05 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:09 -!- pabs3 [i=daemon@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Don't rest until all the world is paved in poems."] 09:09 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has joined #synfig 11:24 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@60-242-186-48.tpgi.com.au] has quit ["Don't rest until all the world is paved in poems."] 11:30 -!- sciboy [n=Bob@unaffiliated/sciboy] has joined #synfig 12:05 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #synfig 12:47 -!- sciboy [n=Bob@unaffiliated/sciboy] has quit [] 12:59 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has joined #synfig 14:45 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:10 -!- rotanomit is now known as timonator 15:15 -!- CIA-28 [i=cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 16:59 -!- CIA-28 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #synfig 18:02 -!- Snapai [n=snap@d60-65-171-141.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #Synfig 18:03 < Snapai> Howdy 18:18 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 18:20 < Snapai> Wait what....the draw tool's been removed? o.o 18:22 < timonator> you can re-enable it easily 18:22 < Snapai> I just did, in the source. :p 18:22 < timonator> http://wiki.synfig.com/FAQ 18:22 < Snapai> svn update, ./configure, make - what do you mean expected token before "<<"? OHH, there's conflicts in the update! :P 18:23 < timonator> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_DRAW=1 18:23 * Snapai found the data he was looking for, to make the redraw tool, so now can get workin' on it again. :> 18:23 < Snapai> ...someone put it on a Wikipedia page. :P 18:24 < timonator> wikipedia..? 18:24 < Snapai> The basic functions for bezier splines, as well as how to interpolate them and to code that in C++? 18:25 < Snapai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%A9zier_curve - I coulda' sworn that wasn't there before. 18:26 < Snapai> And it's not anywhere in the Synfig code AFAIK - Synfig uses...whatever screen drawing library it links against...to draw the curves, and assumes that the user will create the correct points, based on the feedback they get from the system. 18:26 < Snapai> Okay, and apparently the code for that URL makes Xchat type in green. 18:26 < Snapai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B?zier_curve 18:27 < timonator> heh 18:40 < Snapai> ...grr. Now if only I could get Synfig to compile. 18:41 < Snapai> I haven't built it since revision 228 18:48 < timonator> whats the current one? 18:48 < Snapai> 483 18:48 < Snapai> Hopefully the source file I was working on will still work with the program! ...the tool API didn't change much yet, did it? 18:52 < timonator> woah 18:52 < timonator> i dunno about the code 18:52 < timonator> but that's quite a gap 19:02 < Snapai> o_O 19:02 < Snapai> curvegradient.cpp:166: error: no matching function for call to 'etl::hermite::find_closest(bool&, const synfig::Vector&)' 19:02 < Snapai> /usr/include/ETL/_bezier.h:525: note: candidates are: T etl::bezier::find_closest(const V&, int, T, T) const [with V = synfig::Vector, T = float] 19:02 < Snapai> Has ETL been updated too? 19:03 < timonator> i guess so 19:11 * Snapai updates ETL, then starts building Synfig again, and then will build Synfig Studio 19:11 < Snapai> They're all on the same SVN, so updates to any of them tick the version number of all of them. 19:22 < Snapai> /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:66: error: 'INT64_C' was not declared in this scope 19:23 < Snapai> Hm. 19:23 < Snapai> Need a newer version of ffmpeg, maybe? But why should it be asking about 64-bit in the first place? 19:40 < timonator> i had the same problem. i think i disabled lavc and ffmpeg via configure 19:40 < Snapai> If it still doesn't work, I'll edit the ebuild to do that. 19:44 -!- zipola [n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:47 -!- zipola [n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #synfig 20:11 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has joined #synfig 20:37 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:47 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #synfig 21:27 -!- zotz [n=zotz@24.244.163.157] has joined #synfig 21:48 -!- xerakko [n=xerakko@233.Red-88-9-218.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #synfig 22:14 < Snapai> Yeah, had to disable libavcodec 22:21 < timonator> told you :) 22:25 -!- ChrisVP [n=chris@cpe-72-228-115-8.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #synfig 22:29 < Snapai> Make install tries to put the pixmaps in the *root* pixmaps directory, then complains it can't create /pixmaps 22:29 < Snapai> Why? 22:29 * timonator has no fucking clue of makefiles 22:29 < Snapai> I mean, I don't want it there, I want it in /home/snap/local/pixmaps :P 22:29 < Snapai> Er, share/pixmaps 22:31 < Snapai> Hm. :/ 22:31 < ChrisVP> wish I could help... 22:31 * Snapai is trying explicitly defining datarootdir 22:33 < Snapai> Oh, I think I may have forgotten to run the bootstrap script. Might be working with an old configure setup 22:43 -!- xerakko [n=xerakko@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:44 -!- xerakko [n=xerakko@233.Red-88-9-218.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #synfig 22:50 < ChrisVP> bah bah bah 22:57 -!- xerakko [n=xerakko@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Me'n vaig"] 22:59 < Snapai> Gah. 22:59 < ChrisVP> not working? 22:59 < Snapai> Apparently, the configure is a little messed up. 22:59 < ChrisVP> file a bug 22:59 < Snapai> Well, I think it's something in the process of being rewritten that's already been submitted to SVN. 22:59 < ChrisVP> idk if we even have the resources to do that 22:59 < ChrisVP> oh i see 22:59 < Snapai> Makefile.in is not parsing all the options passed to configure 22:59 < ChrisVP> i know there have been problems similar to this before... but i'm not really a developer 22:59 < ChrisVP> i'm trying to get the site redesigned and build up community 23:00 < ChrisVP> hmm 23:00 < Snapai> I'm not a developer either - I'm a frustrated artist who knows how to use a computer, and really wants this program to work. ;) 23:01 < Snapai> I was working, last year sometime, on a tool add-on to SynfigStudio, that'd allow you to use the "draw" tool to reshape existing splines, and set keys in the process. 23:02 < Snapai> But I couldn't figure out how to interpolate the splines properly. I just recently found a Wikipedia article on it. 23:03 < Snapai> Because, since I'm essentially rebuilding an unknown-sized spline into a spline of (n) points, I'm gonna need to be able to find the length of the spline, the angle at a given point on the spline, find points at a given offset along the spline, etc. 23:04 < Snapai> None of which are currently supported by the code, because the code does not actually figure out the curve - it simply passes that to the drawing library, as a series of curve_to commands - and hopes you set the appropriate points! 23:11 < ChrisVP> hmm 23:12 < ChrisVP> sorta like Inkscape? 23:12 < ChrisVP> i think? 23:13 < Snapai> Basically, the stroke tool returns an arbitrary (usually large) array of bline points (which have a location, and handle locations), and I need to rewrite it into an array of the same number of points as the existing line, then in a single "undo" step, move the existing line points to those new locations, setting a key in the process. 23:15 < Snapai> That'll allow "tweening" by the computer - so you get smooth motion, while still keeping the drawings organically drawn - as well as being able to "correct" the tween at any point in the animation, simply by using the redraw tool wherever it goes most off what it should look like. 23:15 < ChrisVP> ic 23:15 < Snapai> Ideally, it should give a look as smooth as computer tweening, but as well-animated as traditional animation. 23:16 < ChrisVP> yeah, best case scenario 23:16 < Snapai> Which would also give artists the opportunity to very easily do awesome animation, and say "I did this with Synfig!" and suddenly everyone's flocking to the site. :p 23:17 < ChrisVP> what's the situation now? 23:17 < Snapai> hmm? 23:18 < ChrisVP> "Ideally, it should give a look as smooth as computer tweening, but as well-animated as traditional animation." 23:18 < ChrisVP> what's the case now... how do things work in the present 23:18 < Snapai> It is possible to reshape a hand drawn bline, but only by individually dragging each point and width to the new setting. 23:19 < ChrisVP> ic 23:19 < ChrisVP> what platform do you work from? 23:22 -!- timonator is now known as rotanomit 23:23 < Snapai> Gentoo --- Log closed Tue May 22 00:00:59 2007