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03:05 < pxegeek> Afternoon Pabs!  How's tomorrow treating you?
03:06 < pabs3> hey :)
03:06 < pabs3> not too bad. trying to get the mod_libavcodec plugin working
03:06 < pxegeek> I took a look at the Tango icons, and had a stab at the polygon icon
03:07 < pxegeek> http://pxe.geek.googlepages.com/home
03:12 < pabs3> awesome, nice work pxegeek :D
03:17 < pabs3> pxegeek: what do you think about blurring the drop shadow a bit?
03:23 < pabs3> or some feather
03:24 < pxegeek> I was trying to figure out how to do a radial gradient on an ellipse last night, and compromised on a semitransparent ellipse
03:24 < pxegeek> but I just figured out that I can warp a radial gradient
03:24 < pxegeek> Looks quite nice - I'll update the page
03:40 < pxegeek> Try hitting refresh on the polugon page now
03:42 < pabs3> cool
03:43 < pabs3> looks good
03:44 < pxegeek> Hey, I can grab all the images from the pixmap subdirectory, but I don't see the New file, Save, Save as, SAve all...  icons.  I'm guessing they're compiled into the exe?
03:45 < pabs3> I think those come from GTK itself
03:45 < pxegeek> Hmmm... that could make them tricky to update then :)
03:45 < pabs3> so if you have the tango icons installed, they'll be tangoified
03:45 < pabs3> yep :)
03:45 < pxegeek> Ah...
03:48 < pxegeek> Yuck
03:48 < pxegeek> Quote "You will need the following packages for a successful installation:
03:48 < pxegeek>     * GNU Automake 1.9.x and friends
03:48 < pxegeek>     * ImageMagick version 5.5.7 or greater
03:48 < pxegeek>     * pkgconfig version 0.19 or greater
03:48 < pxegeek>     * XML::Simple Perl Module "
03:49 < pxegeek> Not designed for windows users :(
03:50 < pxegeek> I'll have to see if I can do some down and dirty hacking until GTK moves to Tango icons by default (when/if)
03:50 < pabs3> hmm, I thought they had downloads for windows users
03:58 < pabs3> http://tango.benpbrown.com/ 
04:00 < pabs3> pxegeek: ^^
04:09 < pabs3> pxegeek: should we include icons as you make them? or in a big batch at the end?
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04:32 < pxegeek> Hah!  Let's see if I can get a few more done and see how fast they're going.  I picked an easy one first.
04:33 < pabs3> ok :)
04:36 < pxegeek> Tango patcher looks preferable to manual hacking.  I can't see anywhere obvious that GTK gets its icons from.  
04:38 < pxegeek> OK deep breath - here goes the install
05:00 < pxegeek> Rebooting - brb
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05:07 < pxegeek> Well this is going to take some getting used to.
05:08 < pxegeek> Looks very pretty, but you don't realize how much you look at the icons when making menu choices
05:08 < pxegeek> Didn't recognise the delete icon!
05:09 < pabs3> :)
05:09 < pxegeek> The bad news is that while the patcher does update some 3rd party applications, it doesn't patch GTK
05:09 < pxegeek> :(
05:09 < pxegeek> Synfig menu looks just the same.
05:11 < pabs3> hmm
05:14 < pxegeek> Well, I'll work on the icons in synfig/pixmap, and hopefully GTK will catch up at some point.
05:14 < pabs3> icons must be compiled into the gtk libs
05:14 < pabs3> could probably hack them out with a resource editor
05:14 < pxegeek> That's what I figure too.  
05:15 < pxegeek> In an infinite universe, everything is possible....
05:15 < pxegeek> ;)
05:16 < pabs3> :)
06:08 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://www.synfig.com | MSGPAD: igli: http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~ismail/ffmpeg-docs/apiexample_8c-source.html#l00190 | news: http://www.synfig.com/2007/03/07/synfig-monthly-news/
06:38 < pabs3> holy shit, got it working!
06:41 < pabs3> hmmm, much slower than the ffmpeg plugin though
06:45 < pabs3> rock, rendered examples/prologue_kid.avi perfectly
06:46 < pabs3> still needs work though
06:52 < pabs3> committing
06:54 < pxegeek> Congratulations!  
06:55  * pxegeek is calling it a night
06:55 < pabs3> gnite
06:56 < pxegeek> I may see you all tomorow, but real life is needing some attention
06:56 < pxegeek> 'nite
06:56 < pabs3> fair enough :)
06:56 < pabs3> nite
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06:56 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://www.synfig.com | mod_libavcodec no longer crashes when rendering, still pretty funky code tho | news: http://www.synfig.com/2007/03/07/synfig-monthly-news/
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07:36 < pabs3> hey madsen :)
07:37 < madsen> pabs3: Hey!
07:37 < pabs3> mod_libavcodec works again :D
07:37 < madsen> pabs3: Niceness!
07:37 < madsen> pabs3: Ugh, I guess that means I should try to incorporate that into the OS X build as well...
07:38 < pabs3> :) only if you feel like it
07:39 < madsen> pabs3: Well, it wouldn't be fair to mac users if they got no libavcodec and everyone else does... :)
07:39 < pabs3> :) only linux users get it at the moment :)
07:39 < madsen> pabs3: Well, ok...
07:40 < pabs3> I'm thinking atrus will probably enable it if he notices the change
07:40 < madsen> pabs3: Btw, I got the weirdest error on OS X last night. I was trying to compile UFO:AI and ./configure said "C compiler not capable of producing binaries" and I was like "What about Synfig!?!"...
07:41 < madsen> pabs3: I'm not sure building vanilla Linux-apps on OS X is the best thing since sliced bread.
07:41 < pabs3> :)
07:41 < pabs3> usually there is some porting involved
07:41 < madsen> pabs3: Indeed.
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11:41 < pabs3> dooglus: whats the status of 1420091? btw, I see 3 places in that file that need fixing
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17:31 < dooglus> pabs3: I didn't get to properly understand what's going on there yet
17:31 < pabs3> ok
17:31 < dooglus> I don't want to change the code without understanding what the weird if...else... thing was intended to do
17:32 < dooglus> it's clearly wrong, since the ...else... part is never run
17:32 < dooglus> and as you say, the same error occurs elsewhere, too
17:32 < pabs3> maybe the get_parent... was supposed to have a side effect?
17:32 < dooglus> I don't think so
17:33 < dooglus> get_parent_canvas()const { return canvas_; }
17:33 < dooglus> looks pretty straightforward to me
17:33 < pabs3> ya
17:34 < dooglus> that's from synfig/src/synfig/valuenode.h
17:35 < dooglus> I think what happened was I got bogged down with the revert/close bugs while looking at this one
17:35 < dooglus> I've still not go to the bottom of those, either.  it seems that the close() method doesn't tidy everything up properly
17:36 < dooglus> I'd like to get a better understanding of how the code really works before making any more guesses as to how things should be fixed
17:36 < pabs3> fair enough
17:36 < dooglus> but I'm finding it quite confusing.
17:37 < pabs3> general lack of comments in some parts doesn't help :)
17:37 < dooglus> what's a valuenode? as opposed to a valuedesc?  or a valuebase?
17:38 < dooglus> what's the difference between a handle, a loose_handle and an rhandle?
17:38 < dooglus> the lack of comments really doesn't help, you're right.
17:40 < pabs3> :)
17:40 < igli> pabs3: is the original coder not still with you?
17:40 < igli> (hi btw :)
17:40 < dooglus> are you picking up anything about these terms?
17:41 < pabs3> igli: darco is working at apple now, doesn't have much time for synfig stuff
17:41 < dooglus> I see you're getting quite involved with the code - fixing the studio rendering was impressive
17:41 < pabs3> not really
17:41 < igli> ah ok
17:41 < dooglus> I'd had a look into it before, and realised the problem was with it not being initialised, but didn't get beyond that
17:41 < igli> ++ pabs3 !
17:42 < dooglus> did you see the bug I raised about teh input devices dialog?
17:42 < pabs3> twas a simple bug that artm debugged ages ago, just figured out where to call init with a bit of a gdb session
17:42 < dooglus> it really annoys me that every time I run studio, I have to remember to go into the input devices dialog and disable the touchpad
17:42 < pabs3> ah, lookin
17:44 < dooglus> the end of synfig-docs/result/en/out-htmls/firststeps.html mentions it: 
17:44 < dooglus> Some laptop users might experience trouble where click-drag on the canvas when using the circle tool doesn't seem to do anything or produce insanely huge circles. The problem is that Synfig has detected the touchpad and enabled that device (incorrectly!) To fix this: click File->Input devices... In the resulting dialog window, select 'Disabled' for your touchpad device.
17:45 < pabs3> hmmm. when I fixed the close button in that, I got the impression that the synfig code doesn't deal with input devices. I'm sure I must be missing something tho
17:46 < pabs3> my computer only has a serial mouse, so I can't test it
17:46 < dooglus> the bug report (for the bug you fixed) mentioned using the Gimp source code
17:47 < dooglus> but the Gimp code is using gtk, not gtkmm, right?
17:47 < pabs3> ya
17:47 < pabs3> yep
17:47 < dooglus> when you draw a circle, the first place you click defines the centre, then you drag away from the centre to define the radius, yes?
17:48 < pabs3> afaict
17:48 < dooglus> well, if I forget to disable the touchpad, wherever I click, the centre is set to be the top-left corner of the screen
17:48 < dooglus> and it appears as if I am defining the radius - I see the outline of a huge circle, centred off the canvas
17:49 < dooglus> but when I release the mouse button, I don't see a circle, and looking at the params, it's centred off the canvas, and has a radius of 0.
17:49 < igli> sounds like it needs to save the setting and check it on startup
17:50 < dooglus> that would be nice, yes
17:50 < igli> s/setting/fact that a device is disabled/
17:50 < dooglus> but also, it would be good if it didn't make the bad setting in the first place
17:50 < igli> dooglus: one thing at a time :)
17:50 < dooglus> because that will confuse a lot of new users immediately
17:50 < igli> yeah but it has to use devices; maybe it could check for synaptics
17:51 < dooglus> I don't have to use the input devices dialog when use the gimp
17:51 < igli> good point- does gimp not use the touchpad then?
17:52 < dooglus> it does
17:52 < dooglus> the touchpad acts just like a mouse though
17:53 < dooglus> if I look at the input devices dialog in the gimp, the touchpad is 'disabled'
17:53 < igli> sure; synfig is just using dev in same way
17:53 < igli> huh?
17:53 < dooglus> if I set it to be enabled, it stops working, just like it does in synfig
17:53 < igli> lol
17:53 < dooglus> it's just that in the gimp it defaults to disabled, whereas in synfig it defaults to enabled
17:54 < dooglus> oh, it appears that the gimp can remember my settings even when I close and restart it
17:55 < igli> ok first thing is for synfig to remember disabled setting
17:56 < igli> then we can look at detecting known-bad devices
17:56 < igli> (more work)
17:56 < igli> pabs3: where is the code for that? i'll have a look and report back if you like
17:57 < pabs3> the change I made was in src/gtkmm/app.cpp SVN r277 
17:57 < pabs3> svn diff -r 276:277
18:00 < dooglus> gimp has quite a few gui items around this input devices dialog
18:02 < pabs3> dooglus: about the negative brush size thing, the Gtk::SpinButton::set_range function requires a max as well as min. what do you recon for max?
18:02 < pabs3> hmm, but no other part of the code uses set_range, but I've seen spinbuttons that have a minimum
18:04 < dooglus> you have?
18:05 < pabs3> yeah, on the new canvas dialog for one
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18:06 < dooglus> right
18:06 < pabs3> render dialog too
18:09 < pabs3> ah, I see, it is using GtkAdjustment elsewhere http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Adjustment.html
18:11 < pabs3> looks like that has an upper bound too
18:14 < dooglus> yes
18:14 < dooglus> but it's set to a very large value
18:15 < dooglus> see synfigstudio/src/gtkmm/renddesc.cpp line 85 for example
18:15 < dooglus> 	adjustment_yres(0,0,10000000),
18:16 < pabs3> 10000000 it is then :)
18:17 < pabs3> here goes the commit!
18:20 < pabs3> ah, crap, sf.net said 500 - Internal Server Error when I tried to close the bug
18:21 < pabs3> weird, fine the second time
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18:25 < pabs3> igli: btw, /topic :)
18:25 < pabs3> anyway, I should go to bed
18:25 < igli> heh ok nite
18:25 < pabs3> hey pxegeek :) rock on with the tango icons!
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21:22  * darco reads over the GSoC stuff
21:27 < pxegeek> Hi darco!
21:27 < pxegeek> How's dyloxin feeling?
21:30 < darco> not so good at the moment
21:31 < darco> I hope to look into it later this evening
21:32 < pxegeek> :( - Get well soon!
21:33 < pxegeek> I've been looking into pabs' suggestion of mapping synfig icons to the Tango set
21:33 < pxegeek> I think there are good matches for all except two of the standard icons
21:34 < pxegeek> normal and smooth_move we may have to get creative for.  
21:34 < pxegeek> http://pxe.geek.googlepages.com/ if you get a chance...
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21:38 < igli> darco: did you see the log about saving disabled device setting?
21:39 < igli> for laptop touchpads, could be synaptics
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21:46 < dooglus> pxegeek: under 'other icons' you could add draw, sketch and width too
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22:01 < StateS> hello all
22:02 < StateS> hey dooglus... you said yesturday that you got synfig to work on windows right?
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