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04:17  * madsen needs a little help with the fink/os x build.
04:18 < pabs3> hullo :)
04:18 < madsen> I've installed ETL but it keeps saying that I have to install ETL... Is there any way to make it realize that it's actually installed?
04:18 < madsen> pabs3: Hey! :)
04:18 < pabs3> probably a problem with where the etl pkg-config file is
04:19 < madsen> Hmm, it looks for that?
04:20 < pabs3> yep
04:20 < pabs3> where did ETL.pc get installed?
04:21 < madsen> I realized there's actually a ./macosxbuild.sh - a bit easier to build from if it'd just realize that ETL's really there... Isn't there some parameter I can pass to e.g. ./configure (like, --with-ETL=/usr/local/include) to make it understand?
04:21 < madsen> Hmm, hang on a sec.
04:22 < pabs3> try doing PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/path/where/etl/is pkg-config --libs  ETL
04:22 < madsen> pabs3: Hmm, it appears it didn't get installed - at least not with 'make install'
04:22 < pabs3> hmm
04:23 < madsen> pabs3: 'find /usr/local/include/ETL -name "ETL.pc"' returns nothing...
04:23 < pabs3> latest release? or the svn version?
04:23 < madsen> svn
04:23 < pabs3> it is usually installed in /usr/lib/pkgconfig, so look in /usr/local/lib
04:24 < madsen> But, if it only needs ETL.pc to build, then there's one in the svn working dir.
04:24 < pabs3> ETL.pc just tells the synfig build process were to find the ETL headers
04:24 < madsen> O-ho! /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc - grand!
04:25 < pabs3> yep, so PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig pkg-config --libs  ETL should print something
04:26 < madsen> Huh! It says it found nothing...!
04:27 < pabs3> what does this command print btw? strings `which pkg-config` | grep /pkgconfig
04:27 < pabs3> hmm
04:28 < madsen> /usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig
04:29 < madsen> Apparently I'm using the Fink pkg-config
04:29 < pabs3> seems that way
04:29 < madsen> ... hence the /sw/*
04:29 < madsen> Hmm, hang on a sec - I'll try something.
04:29 < pabs3> what about doing export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig then  pkg-config --libs  ETL
04:30 < pabs3> anyways, if you're doing fink packages, should probably be making an ETL fink package first up (and installing in /sw)
04:30 < madsen> I'd rather build an app-bundle if possible. (Seems like the macosxbuild.sh is geared for that.)
04:31 < pabs3> yeah, it has some problems tho
04:31 < madsen> Fixable problems? Or...?
04:31 < pabs3> I still think fink packages would be useful tho
04:31 < pabs3> not sure, the bug numbers are listed on the download page
04:31 < madsen> madsen$ PKG_CONFIG=/sw/lib/pkgconfig pkg-config --libs ETL
04:31 < madsen> -lpthread  
04:31 < madsen> There...
04:32 < pabs3> ah, is there a /sw/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc file??
04:32 < madsen> Nope - I symlinked it.
04:32 < pabs3> ah
04:33 < madsen> /sw/include/ETL -> /usr/local/include/ETL and /sw/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc -> /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc
04:33 < madsen> anything more to symlink in ETL?
04:33 < pabs3> PKG_CONFIG_DEBUG_SPEW=on pkg-config --cflags  ETL
04:33 < pabs3> shouldn't be
04:34 < madsen> Hehe, that gave some info.
04:34 < pabs3> :)
04:35 < madsen> trying the OSX-build-thing again.
04:35 < madsen> Yay! It got past the ETL-check!
04:35 < pabs3> :)
04:36 < madsen> Dang! It started compiling, but died almost instantly.
04:36 < pabs3> http://rafb.net/paste/
04:36 < pabs3> paste the error there
04:36 < madsen> k, hang on
04:37 < madsen> Wait a sec... I think I know what might be the problem, I'm not sure though, but I'll just check it out.
04:38 < madsen> Nope, wasn't it - pasting.
04:39 < madsen> http://rafb.net/p/z7G1Xe48.html
04:40 < pabs3> hmm
04:40 < madsen> Yeah - I've never seen that one before.
04:41 < pabs3> can you edit src/synfig/vector.h and comment out line 72
04:41 < madsen> sure
04:41 < pabs3> thats a bit of a hack, should be using autoconf
04:42 < madsen> Huh? Why does it start ./configure when I run 'make'?
04:43 < pabs3> not sure
04:43 < madsen> Makefile explains it I can see...
04:45 < madsen> Same error, now in src/synfig/color.h line 184
04:45 < madsen> Am I using some weird gcc that everyone else isn't?
04:46 < pabs3> try commenting src/synfig/color.h line 57
04:46 < pabs3> nah, just some code issues
04:46 < madsen> done. Trying again.
04:47 < madsen> Same error, same file, same line.
04:48 < pabs3> can you paste the color.h error?
04:49 < madsen> Sure, let me just reproduce it. I commented out line 184 and it continued to another error in gradient.cpp
04:50 < madsen> http://rafb.net/p/3ClANV47.html
04:51 < pabs3> ah, in color.h you want line 57 not line 184
04:51 < madsen> Yeah, I tried commenting out line 57, that gave the error I just linked to. Then I commented out both 57 and 187, which gave a new error in gradient.cpp
04:52 < pabs3> ah, new error
04:52 < pabs3> uncomment 187, its a diff prob
04:53 < pabs3> try adding these two lines to the includes in color.h: #include <cmath> #include "real.h"
04:53 < madsen> K!
04:54 < madsen> configuring + compiling again.
04:55 < madsen> Hmm... ./configure says 'yes' to 'isnan', but no to 'isnanf'...
04:55 < madsen> Just noticed - might not be of importance.
04:56 < madsen> Hehe, after adding the includes the error just moved one line down. (#include <cmath> was already there, but commented out.)
04:57 < pabs3> and color.h 57 is commented?
04:58 < madsen> yup
04:58 < madsen> except it's 58 now, but yeah, it's out.
04:58 < pabs3> same error as http://rafb.net/p/3ClANV47.html ?
04:58 < pabs3> hrm
04:59 < madsen> yup, same one, but with s/184/185/
04:59 < pabs3> hrm
04:59 < madsen> indeed
05:00 < madsen> I'm sorry I can't help fix anything. :-/
05:00 < pabs3> np
05:01 < madsen> But, with sufficient instructions I'm sure i can at least compile packages. I'm just not really experienced in packaging stuff - especially not for OS X
05:01 < pabs3> what did ./configure say about isnan/isnanf?
05:02 < madsen> checking for isnan... yes
05:02 < madsen> checking for isnanf... no
05:07 < pabs3> hmm
05:09 < madsen> btw, I have a nice ruby-script for rafb.net pasting, if you're interested. Can't read from stdin though - only files, but it's still nice.
05:14 < pabs3> don't really use it much
05:14 < madsen> hehe, ok.
05:20 < madsen> Well, it's late...
05:20 < madsen> ... or rather, early (5:20 AM). I should get to bed.
05:20 < pabs3> whee!
05:21 < madsen> It was nice finally talking to you. I hope we can figure this OSX build out somehow at some point. I really miss using synfig.
05:22  * madsen goes away and to sleep. (Still logging though. ssh + screen + irssi = pure linux awesomeness.)
05:23 < pabs3> :)
05:23 < pabs3> I'd suggest installing debian too in any case
05:24 < madsen> Hehe, yeah, I really miss only having to do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and have a complete (more or less) upgrade.
05:24 < madsen> Seems that Ubuntu is leading in the "easy to install on the MacBook"-race though.
05:25 < madsen> But heck, I've done a succesful Ubuntu -> Agnula -> plain Debian before without reinstalling. Hehe...
05:25 < pabs3> ooh, intel macbook, shiny 
05:25 < pabs3> whee
05:25 < madsen> pabs3: Yeah. Got it 3 weeks ago.
05:25 < pabs3> I've done a mandrake -> debian switch once. debtakeover is fun
05:25 < madsen> lol!
05:26 < madsen> Sounds cool!
05:26 < pabs3> oh, it is
05:26 < madsen> Never heard of it before - but Debian took over my desktop, like, 6 years ago.
05:26 < pabs3> :)
05:27 < madsen> Not really sure why I wanted a macbook... OS X really isn't that great... It's nice and shiny and all, but I miss Linux and Debian in particular.
05:28 < madsen> Still, it's good hardware.
05:29 < madsen> Well... Bedtime.
05:29 < madsen> See you later! I'll probably look further into building synfig tomorrow.
05:30  * madsen goes away. For real...
05:31 < pabs3> laters :)
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12:05 < Bombe> Hi.
12:07 < pabs3> hi Bombe 
12:07 < Bombe> Hey pabs.
12:07 < pabs3> how you doing? its been a while :)
12:08 < Bombe> I just found out last night why synfig-studio didn't compile on machine anymore. ;)
12:08 < Bombe> Apart from that, pretty fine, thanks. :)
12:09 < pabs3> :) cool
12:09 < pabs3> whats the compile problem?
12:09 < Bombe> My version of synfig-core had some wrong linker paths, synfig-studio would always try to use a version of gcc that wasn't installed anymore. Recompiling synfig-core fixed it.
12:10 < Bombe> Now I can fool around with it again! \o/
12:10 < pabs3> :D sweet!
12:10 < Bombe> Indeed.
12:10 < Bombe> synfig lets you do much cooler stuff than e.g. inkscape.
12:13  * pabs3 hasn't really used inkscape much
12:15 < Bombe> It lacks all those cool layer and animation features.
12:21 < pabs3> :)
12:22 < Bombe> Oh, and I stumbled into that IMAGE_DIR problem because I installed synfig with --prefix=$HOME.
12:29 < pabs3> IMAGE_DIR problem?
12:31 < Bombe> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1568925&group_id=144022&atid=757416
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12:45 < pabs3> ahyes
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15:22 < pabs3> ArtLibreSet looks interesting ChanServ 
15:22 < pabs3> I mean ChrisVP :)
15:23 < ChrisVP> haha
15:23 < ChrisVP> yeah, it's nice that it's GPL'd too
15:25 < ChrisVP> by the way, i'm back on OS X now... so i can attempt a build
15:25 < pabs3> cool
15:27 < pabs3> btw, I'm just about to write a README for synfig/synfigstudio, are people able to help right now? ideally over gobby so we can do it collaboratively
15:27  * pabs3 pings everyone: Bombe ChrisVP dooglus madsen__ omry ralou tonsofpcs zipola 
15:27 < ChrisVP> i'm here (obviously)
15:28 < pabs3> got gobby?
15:28 < ChrisVP> getting it
15:28 < omry> pabs3, too busy with other stuff..
15:28 < pabs3> ok. I'll send to the list after anyways
15:29 < ChrisVP> yuck, it's a pain in OS X... lemme boot up a VM
15:31 < pabs3> (I'm using 0.4)
15:32 < ChrisVP> i'm adding it to my sources list... just a sec
15:37 < pabs3> chianamo.mine.nu port 6522
15:37 < ChrisVP> this repository really hates me
15:38 < pabs3> well, just review when I post to the list I guess
15:38 < ChrisVP> yeah, that'll work
15:47 < ChrisVP> got it
15:48 < ChrisVP> i guess the repository listed on the site isn't operational anymore
16:26 < pabs3> sent, I'm off to bed
16:27 < ChrisVP> ok, thanks
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19:55  * dooglus pongs pabs3
19:56 < ChrisVP> pabs isn't here
19:57 < dooglus> that's OK.  I wasn't here when he pinged me, so it's only fair.
19:57 < dooglus> did you get synfig to build on OS X?
19:57 < ChrisVP> i wish
19:58 < dooglus> what's the problem?
19:58 < ChrisVP> i don't know enough about building, for starters
19:59 < dooglus> I've never used OS X, but it's a kind of UNIX isn't it?
19:59 < ChrisVP> yeah, it's based on a BSD core
19:59 < dooglus> so I'd expect building to be similar to how it works on Linux
20:00 < dooglus> you've seen the 'macosxbuild.sh' files?
20:00 < ChrisVP> can't say i have... heh
20:00 < ChrisVP> i'm kinda bumping around the Synfig wiki atm
20:00 < dooglus> in the top-level of the synfig and synfigstudio directories
20:00 < dooglus> did you check the source out of subversion?
20:01 < ChrisVP> nope
20:01 < ChrisVP> honestly i'm dev stupid
20:01 < dooglus> ok.  that's the first thing to do.
20:01 < ChrisVP> i'm in it for the learning experience though
20:01 < ChrisVP> if i do it once, i can do it again i'm sure
20:01 < ChrisVP> i'll pop open terminal, i'm sure i need that
20:02 < dooglus> yes
20:02 < dooglus> make a new folder somewhere to hold all the synfig code
20:02 < dooglus> then 'cd' into that folder
20:02 < ChrisVP> ok
20:03 < dooglus> then check out the 3 subversion modules, like this:
20:03 < dooglus> svn co http://svn.voria.com/code/ETL/trunk/ etl
20:03 < dooglus> svn co http://svn.voria.com/code/ETL/trunk/ synfig
20:03 < dooglus> svn co http://svn.voria.com/code/ETL/trunk/ synfigstudio
20:03 < dooglus> aah - you might not have subversion installed, I guess...
20:03 < ChrisVP> dang, svn: command not found
20:03 < ChrisVP> yeah
20:04 < ChrisVP> i pulled up a tutorial
20:04 < ChrisVP> easy installer, this should help
20:04 < dooglus> is there a repository of packages for OS X?  or does it use the Windows method of having you hunt executables on the web?
20:04 < ChrisVP> it's Subversion 1.4.3, i hope that's new enough
20:04 < ChrisVP> you can install Fink, and that sort of does repositories
20:04 < dooglus> I'm using Subversion command-line client, version 1.4.2.
20:04 < dooglus> so I guess 1.4.3 is new enough :)
20:05 < ChrisVP> but most users on OS X don't have Fink, so i don't think it's the best route
20:05 < dooglus> what do most OS X users do?
20:05 < ChrisVP> hunt around for the DMGs (exe)
20:06 < ChrisVP> Fink is (basically) a port of the debian repository system
20:06 < ChrisVP> at least, that's how i understand it
20:06 < dooglus> I see
20:06 < dooglus> I just spent far too long tracking down a synfig bug
20:06 < dooglus> it turned out in the end to be a one-line fix
20:07 < ChrisVP> yikes
20:07 < ChrisVP> i hate that... working in code and the answer is so easy
20:07 < ChrisVP> granted, i do web design, it's a lot easier
20:07 < dooglus> brb
20:09 < dooglus> ok
20:09 < dooglus> any luck getting svn installed?
20:09 < ChrisVP> i have to add a file to my .profile
20:09 < ChrisVP> add a line*
20:09 < dooglus> what shell does OS X use by default?
20:10 < ChrisVP> erm, i know it's called Terminal, and they use a thing called "Darwin"
20:10 < ChrisVP> yuck
20:10 < ChrisVP> tcsh
20:10 < dooglus> echo $SHELL
20:10 < dooglus> or
20:10 < dooglus> ps | grep $$
20:11 < dooglus> should tell you
20:11 < ChrisVP> hmm
20:11 < ChrisVP> it's bash
20:11 < dooglus> I don't think tcsh will read .profile - it reads .login
20:11 < ChrisVP> it says bash i guess
20:11 < dooglus> ok
20:11 < ChrisVP> my mistake
20:12 < dooglus> bash looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable.
20:12 < dooglus> so it's best to use ~/.bash_profile, rather than .profile
20:12 < ChrisVP> ok
20:14 < ChrisVP> fink will be easier to get subversion
20:15 < ChrisVP> get it via a package manager
20:19 < ChrisVP> got it
20:19 < ChrisVP> svn installed
20:20 < ChrisVP> and....... all 3 subversion modules are checked out
20:21 < dooglus> ok
20:21 < ChrisVP> oops
20:21 < dooglus> you'll have 3 new directories
20:21 < dooglus> in the 2 beginning with 's', you'll see the osbuild script I mentioned before
20:21 < ChrisVP> i did it in the wrong folder
20:21 < dooglus> you can move the folders into the new folder - I don't think subversion will mind
20:22 < ChrisVP> ok
20:22 < ChrisVP> osbuild...
20:22 < ChrisVP> nope
20:23 < dooglus> http://wiki.synfig.com/Build_instructions has the build instructions I used on debian
20:23 < ChrisVP> ok
20:23 < ChrisVP> i'll follow those and see what happens
20:23 < dooglus> you need to install the etl stuff first
20:23 < dooglus> there's nothing to build
20:24 < ChrisVP> rats
20:24 < dooglus> what happened?
20:24 < ChrisVP> i need GNU autoconf
20:25 < dooglus> yes
20:25 < dooglus> you need a whole load of packages...
20:25 < dooglus> but autoconf should be available for OS X I'd think
20:25 < ChrisVP> yea
20:25 < ChrisVP> it's all in FINK
20:25 < ChrisVP> it'll probably be rough this first time around
20:26 < ChrisVP> lmao
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for gawk... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for mawk... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for nawk... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for awk... awk
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for gcc... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for cc... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for cc... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> checking for cl... no
20:26 < ChrisVP> i have nothing
20:26 < ChrisVP> what in there do i absolutely need
20:27 < ChrisVP> do i need it all?
20:28 < dooglus> you probably only need one of the *awk things, and you have it
20:28 < dooglus> if you get g++, it'll probably come with the other stuff
20:28 < dooglus> but you will need a C++ compiler, for sure (since the program is written in C++!)
20:28 < ChrisVP> yea
20:30 < dooglus> do you know C++?
20:30 < ChrisVP> no
20:30 < dooglus> hmmm.  me neither.
20:30 < dooglus> makes coding in it v. difficult :)
20:30 < ChrisVP> i can imagine
20:31 < ChrisVP> exciting.... i need a 1gig file to get GCC
20:31 < ChrisVP> Apple's XCode comes with GCC and a bunch of other things... but it isn't bundled
20:32 < dooglus> I'm not sure if 'GCC' will include 'G++' or not.
20:32 < dooglus> if you see 'G++' on the list, get that instead
20:32 < ChrisVP> i hope
20:33 < dooglus> in debian, g++ and gcc are 2 separate packages
20:33 < ChrisVP> it might be in darwin ports
20:34 < dooglus> g++-4.1 depends on gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-21), gcc-4.1 (= 4.1.1-21), libstdc++6-4.1-dev (= 4.1.1-21), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6)
20:34 < dooglus> hopefully your package system can chase down dependencies for you, or it's going to be a lot of work
20:35 < ChrisVP> thus far i've been grabbing them all myself
20:35 < ChrisVP> :-/
20:39 < dooglus> oh, and I mis-read - 1gig for GCC?
20:39 < dooglus> that can't be right
20:40 < ChrisVP> 1gig for all of XCode
20:40 < ChrisVP> GCC is included in the XCode download
20:40 < dooglus> but still
20:40 < dooglus> 1 gig is huge
20:40 < ChrisVP> yea
20:40 < dooglus> a lot of linux distributions fit on a single CD - that's less than 1GB
20:42 < dooglus> do you jabber or MSN?
20:42 < ChrisVP> i do it all, but jabber is preferred
20:42 < dooglus> it would make it a lot easier for me to notice when you've spoken if you were there instead of here
20:42 < ChrisVP> ok
20:43 < dooglus> dooglus@jabber.org
20:43 < ChrisVP> chrisvanpatten {at{ gmail {dot{ com
20:44 < dooglus> oh, if you're using gmail, add dooglus@gmail.com instead
20:44 < ChrisVP> ok
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21:52 < ChrisVP> *gulp*... here goes nothing
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22:15 < ChrisVP> etl and synfig folders are identical... for whatever reason
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23:40 < coz_> hello all
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